How to reduce the dreaded valve carbon?

[Snox801]

Alright, may be I wasn't as clear and concise as I should have been. The breather, on a stock 2.0, would be nothing more than a redundant PCV valve (the breather using a weighted ball and the PCV valve using a compression spring). An oil catch can is not a comparison to to a PCV system. The PCV system utilizes an oil separator plate (with baffles) to slow down the air and allow the vapor to condense and then drop back down into the crankcase where the oil catch can will actually collect any particles that have a chance to condense. I believe the breather, in a case where you are not adding any more boost than what the PCV valve is already designed for, would serve no purpose. An oil catch can, if you are worried about carbon build up on the back of the intake valves would be the ideal part to purchase.

I know what each does as I have been part of rd for catch cans. I was simply saying that the whole goal is to remove oil whether mist or vapor form out intake. If it doesn’t have enough pressure to push it up into the intake then it’s also keeping it out. Two sides of the same coin. I’m not even saying the catch can isn’t better. But, this is another safety measure. If you were getting less pressure through your pcv you should get less in your catch can. Hence why I boost cars that make very little crank pressure never seem to need to empty a catch can.

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[Gonzo chris]

Well one set of masks is determined to work for specific things in surgery like spit and we know that the other doesn’t. Two things can be true at both times.
Not to mention I didn’t say I wasn’t green.
I think that we could make way more of an impact with any other minor changes to not worry about some vent to atmosphere with a filter in a 2.0 engine.
You were trying to come into a thread and take a dump on it. You do you man keep saving the earth while others will do our part and save our engines.

Two things can be true at the same time. Like volcanoes can affect the climate and CO2 pumped out by humans......lol. but I think the mask, not to get into it all, it wasn't too protect you necessarily but to protect others. Wearing a mask help keeps the people around you from getting infected regardless, whether or not it's the flu, a cold or whatever. just like a doctor doesn't breathe into your open wound.... No I'm just responding to the we can crap all over the earth cuz someone somewhere else does nonsense. There are a lot of civilized countries that don't though. As for what damage your setup is doing, I'm not claiming it does much. And I didn't come into the thread to take a dump on it. If you want to go back through I was posting on the subject overall and I just took a dump on that one comment of yours. Let's not be snowflakes. Cheers.
The whole Whataboutism Or you know somebody else is doing something bad so I can is a pretty poor one. Like my littering analogy I assume, or at least I would hope, you don't throw garbage out the window. If you see somebody else, do it

 

[Snox801]

Ya I wasn’t saying it doesn’t but to come into a thread about something a lot of people care about with a easy possible solution and crap in it is what makes me not care.

Myself or anyone else could not care less about what that guys thinks. It screams I’m morally superior is all. My point was we have a lot bigger problems to address in the climate than a filter breather. I’ll do my part where I see fit and others can do them. But if it’s ok for John Kerry the climate king to fly around in a private jet as long as he offsets carbon that should be good for everyone right?
I have a very green house and run e85 in everything to offset my carbon.
So I’m afforded a bit of slack.
But I see your point
. Now let’s move on.
Back to the subject at hand

 

[Gonzo chris]

Ya I wasn’t saying it doesn’t but to come into a thread about something a lot of people care about with a easy possible solution and crap in it is what makes me not care.

Myself or anyone else could not care less about what that guys thinks. It screams I’m morally superior is all. My point was we have a lot bigger problems to address in the climate than a filter breather. I’ll do my part where I see fit and others can do them. But if it’s ok for John Kerry the climate king to fly around in a private jet as long as he offsets carbon that should be good for everyone right?
I have a very green house and run e85 in everything to offset my carbon.
So I’m afforded a bit of slack.
But I see your point
. Now let’s move on.
Back to the subject at hand

, just because some guy might fly in a private jet, all rich people do, doesn't then mean because someone's a hypocrite what we do doesn't matter. It's a bit of do as I say not as I do, I get it Yeah we do have bigger problems than that but you don't cut off the nose to spite the face.. It's almost as infuriating as a couple of draft. Dodgers questioning the service of someone who volunteered and sauntering around like they're tough..... Okay last thing I'll say is the idea of the overall argument saying you're going to pollute, not saying your solution does, your own country and your neighbors more and it's okay because some dude in China might do it. Sounds ridiculous. That's kind of like saying I hear my neighbor likes to take a dump on his coffee table so I'm going to give it a shot and then trying to explain that reasoning to the wife...lol . But yeah, there are morally superior people. I'm not into those kind of dudes either. I have a very green house myself. Got rid of my oil boiler and put in some Mitsubishi heat pumps and an HPWH saves me some money.
Going back to the subject at hand. Do you think your work is the reason why you don't have the carbon issue with the high mileage?

 

[Snox801]

, just because some guy might fly in a private jet, all rich people do, doesn't then mean because someone's a hypocrite what we do doesn't matter. It's a bit of do as I say not as I do, I get it Yeah we do have bigger problems than that but you don't cut off the nose to spite the face.. Okay last thing I'll say is the idea of the overall argument saying you're going to pollute, not saying your solution does, your own country and your neighbors more and it's okay because some dude in China might do it. Sounds ridiculous. That's kind of like saying I hear my neighbor likes to take a dump on his coffee table so I'm going to give it a shot and then trying to explain that reasoning to the wife...lol . But yeah, there are more at least superior people. I'm not into those kind of dudes either. I have a very green house myself. Got rid of my oil boiler and put in some Mitsubishi heat pumps and an HPWH saves me some money.
Going back to the subject at hand. Do you think your work is the reason why you don't have the carbon issue with the high mileage?

I get it man but to think that some little thing I do is bad enough to dump in a thread made to be helpful. It’s doesn’t and I agree they are hypocrites. But my point was stones and glass houses. I’m sure I could as all of us could point out bad things we all do. Good thing I simply don’t care what others think of me other than my loved ones.
I do think that this has helped with me not having any carbon issues at high mileage. Again I’m not sure that it is but I’ve bounced the idea off the guys who make catch cans and plates and the theory is sounds by what we all gather.
For me I thought why not give it a try if I can avoid $500 every 100k miles

 

[son of a ..sven]

what's wrong with using this>Oil catch cans are simple devices that greatly benefit direct injection engines. The oil catch cans prevent oil and other contaminants from causing a buildup of debris inside the engine's intake manifold.

 

[FischAutoTechGarten]

I had no problems with port injection. Another reason to get the hybrid.

Op began the discussion talking about a concern specific to direct inject engines.... but please let me help me you out...

 

[Snox801]

what's wrong with using this>Oil catch cans are simple devices that greatly benefit direct injection engines. The oil catch cans prevent oil and other contaminants from causing a buildup of debris inside the engine's intake manifold.

Nothing wrong at all they are probably the best option if your using the one off the pcv valve. This was simply a cheaper easier option is all.

 

[surfstar]

. Now let’s move on.
Back to the subject at hand

Yes! Moving on.
Please show us issues that have occurred on Mavericks from carbon buildup on valves. We're waiting.

what's wrong with using this>Oil catch cans are simple devices that greatly benefit direct injection engines. The oil catch cans prevent oil and other contaminants from causing a buildup of debris inside the engine's intake manifold.

Are they truly necessary or just another way for an aftermarket company to take your money for a 'mod'?


Until shown sufficient evidence, I have to believe that this is an overblown problem which serves the companies who sell these "fixes". Plus it scratches an itch for the DIYers who want to build a better mouse trap. Problem is that there might not actually be a problem and there's no mice to catch.

 

[Snox801]

Yes! Moving on.
Please show us issues that have occurred on Mavericks from carbon buildup on valves. We're waiting.



Are they truly necessary or just another way for an aftermarket company to take your money for a 'mod'?


Until shown sufficient evidence, I have to believe that this is an overblown problem which serves the companies who sell these "fixes". Plus it scratches an itch for the DIYers who want to build a better mouse trap. Problem is that there might not actually be a problem and there's no mice to catch.

I wouldn’t say it’s not overblown cause I believe it is but you could search and find a decent amount of carbon removal videos online for the 2.0 ecoboost engines and any DI for that matter. Do I think the problem is as bad as they say no I do not. But ford techs do do walnut blasting on a regular basis and has a service for it.
The fact that ford installs drain back style oil separators on cars for that specific reason tells me they work and solve a problem. If they didn’t need it or if zero problem was actually happening ford would for sure not spend the money to add complexity and cost to a vehicle just because.
So for your theory to fit that would mean that ford decided to spend money not needed to support an aftermarket market and people who like to tinker. Bottom line is it does happen.

 

[Fcnrwy]

no issues as long as the engine is well maintained, chg oil/filter every 5K full synthetic, use tier 1 gasoline brands.
Life too short to worry about the small stuff. Have fun and enjoy life. I do applaud your research and all, well done

That's what I intend on doing...

Jerry

 

[Tiger Dude]

Well the mask you wear should save you. Come on man really. It has a filter on it that will catch some oil if need be. But what you are suggesting would be so much oil your engine would be covered.
So it’s either catch some in the filter it has or burn it either way your sky will be falling.
I also dont think this is for everyone. But people like me who are more concerned with every other nation ruining the environment than ours I think I can live with a slight chance this would change anything.

The issue isn't the oil it's the VOC's. What you're saying is that protecting the environment is everyone else's business and not yours. China pollutes by the kiloton, so why shouldn't I pour used motor oil into a storm drain? Notwithstanding your mask comment which I can only take to mean that you base your decisions on what you think is best for you without actual knowledge of the subject.

 

[BuddyS]

what's wrong with using this>Oil catch cans are simple devices that greatly benefit direct injection engines. The oil catch cans prevent oil and other contaminants from causing a buildup of debris inside the engine's intake manifold.

Genuine question, not trying to refute the claim or stir the pot -- why don't OEMs put them on there if there's such a benefit?

 

[AlsMaverick]

what's wrong with using this>Oil catch cans are simple devices that greatly benefit direct injection engines. The oil catch cans prevent oil and other contaminants from causing a buildup of debris inside the engine's intake manifold.

I'd like to see a Blackstone oil analysis on a 2.0 EB with a catch can. A video I watched about catch cans claimed, 1) they do work to reduce carbon build up on valves and 2) they increase oil dilution.
Can't find the link currently. But I would like to see the results.

 

[Snox801]

The issue isn't the oil it's the VOC's. What you're saying is that protecting the environment is everyone else's business and not yours. China pollutes by the kiloton, so why shouldn't I pour used motor oil into a storm drain? Notwithstanding your mask comment which I can only take to mean that you base your decisions on what you think is best for you without actual knowledge of the subject.

No my point was clear anyone can turn a microscope on someone else and pick out what “they” think is wrong.
As stated above I do my best no to pollute, based on what I feel is the real or largest overall good. Much like many experts.
I am just saying that this very tiny difference between the oil vapor getting burned or releasing is so insignificant that any engine not on a motor vehicle still vents this way. So unless you don’t cut your grass, eat any food grow by famers that use tractors you are in no position to lecture others.
Second pint was about try focusing that same microscope on yourself. Here one person comes into this forum to make a comment about my breather “idea” and like you bring up the point of because they pollute so can I while at the same time you buy products from them while they destroy the earth. But it’s ok cause you are not doing it directly. The cell phone you have in your hand has probably caused more environmental damage than one engine with a filters breather. So unless you are willing to toss it out and never buy another one or anything from china. You are in no position to be a moral superior.
Btw this is not painted at you. This was more to clarify my position to the original poster.
He has no idea how I live or how I impact the environment at all. But feels the need to chime in. We could go back and forth all day about who is better at saving the planet.

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