Why don't Hybrids get more love?

[catshreds]

Wow! Since for some reason the admin has allowed this political discussion to go on unchecked, here is my 2 cents: Yes, climate change is occurring, just as it has for the last 4 billion years!
What I question, is just how much impact man has on it. There is an underlying hubris in thinking that just because , we the "superior" creation, are at our zenith, that the earth's climate should cease to change as well. Rather than find ways to attempt to impact the inevitable, better we should do what man as always done so well:
learn to adapt to our ever changing world.

I bought my Maverick ICE simply because, I wanted AWD, and an 8 speed tranny in a cheap, proven platform., which I love! To each his own!

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[Montana]

Wow! Since for some reason the admin has allowed this political discussion to go on unchecked, here is my 2 cents: Yes, climate change is occurring, just as it has for the last 4 billion years!
What I question, is just how much impact man has on it. There is an underlying hubris in thinking that just because , we the "superior" creation, are at our zenith, that the earth's climate should cease to change as well. Rather than find ways to attempt to impact the inevitable, better we should do what man as always done so well:
learn to adapt to our ever changing world.

I bought my Maverick ICE simply because, I wanted AWD, and an 8 speed tranny in a cheap, proven platform., which I love! To each his own!

This comment just got Greta arrested.

 

[GPSMan]

Gunnison, CO. One of the coldest spots in the continental US of A. We See -40° below almost every season here, and -20° to -30° almost nightly December - February. Lots of snow and ice too, so I need AWD. Period. Nothing against hybrid Mavericks, they just won't cut the mustard for my needs.

I've been there.
You're definitely in the 5% who needs EB.

 

[GPSMan]

it's pretty hard to charge an EV from your 5th floor apartment. Or even your first floor apartment. really. Sure you can plug up an EV to a 110v outlet and get a trickle charge overnight. But a lot of people don't live in a house. Cities are full of high density residential, apartment complexes. At present the infrastructure doesn't really exist for EV charging in apartment parking. Which is ironic given that inside city driving is almost the ideal scenario for EVs.

You didn't read post #47.

 

[GPSMan]

Hybrids will *always* make more sense than a Battery Electric Vehicle. There are just far too many use cases in the United States, especially rural and long-distance driving, and towing, that BEVs are poorly suited to address. Range and charging time are not going to meet the needs for a lot of people, in fact those that can live with it are in the minority.

The only reason BEVs are doing anything is because of financial incentives and pressure from investors to try to get car companies' stocks to rise like Tesla. If we just had electric vehicles we would have a stock that grows like Tesla, right? It's amazing to think people are that naive, and have that shallow of an understanding of why Tesla has been successful, and if they can keep it up (hint: they won't), but it's true.

The fuel used in a hybrid vehicle is what might change in the future. It might be CNG or hydrogen, or even hydrogen separated from water.

No. But nice ol college try at it.

Hydrogen will never be practical. It takes enormous amounts of electricity to manufacture. On top of that, you can't cary much with you so range will be on the low side. On top of that, refueling is reasonably difficult. On top of that, hydrogen is the smallest molecule on earth and leaks like a sieve at the drop of a hat. (Ask if you want to know how I know.). You will need an unlimited source of electricity to manufacture hydrogen. Where will you get that? You'll need nuclear power. If you have that, you won't need hydrogen because you can have battery or super-capacitor charging on every corner.

BEV won't meet the needs of a lot of people literally. Like 15 million in the USA. But it's a low number taken as a percentage. You know why there's hardly any chargers in South Dakota? It's because there's hardly any people in South Dakota. Or Wyoming. Taken as a percentage.

 

[GPSMan]

Pretty much this.

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Ignore.

Pretty damn ironic statement coming from a person with no ability to ignore.

 

[GPSMan]

It’s all fun and games until you have replace the battery!

Haven't you read ANY articles about cars in the past 20 years

Rhetorical question.

 

[GPSMan]

You're right. If, IF, the majority of vehicles out there were electric we'd have trouble powering them as we haven't built enough power plants of late and the price of electricity would skyrocket

Actually the opposite.

It costs the same to build xyz power generating station if 1000 people use it or 100,000 people. They have to recoup their costs. Power will always be cheaper when the generating costs are split between more users.

There are a few exceptions, but MOST areas have excess power generating capacity right now.

 

[Red Ryder]

Working in an environment at an energy lab with six or seven Teslas owned by coworkers, the Maverick was supposed to be my "testing the waters" moment in the EV world. I could dip my toes in without diving in and see what it was all about.

It was enjoyable at first, but reliability issues coupled with dealer support problems tainted my experience.

 

[stoptothink]

I don't give a rat's ass about the enviroment or "fosil fuel dependecy".
I want a hybrid for the same reason I want just about the most inexpensive new
vehicle out there - I'm cheap.
The better milage.

I can't say I don't care as we do try to be good stewards of the Earth, but I'm not naive enough to think that whether I drive an ICE, hybrid, or EV actually makes a difference in this context. The Maverick hybrid was the cheapest (upfront and total overall cost) new vehicle that met our family's needs. I'm incredibly cheap.

 

[son of a ..sven]

Moving away from fossil fuels will take time...Hybrids are an a step in the right direction. The evolution of batteries,( Sodium batteries,away from lithium, solid-state, , recycling,etc. ) the way electricity is produced, our grid system,... all of it either changes and evolves ....and then the earth still might become unlivable at some point. Climate Deniers, like all of us will pass away, I wonder what my grandchildren will be left with.


The prospects of the world staying within the 1.5C limit on global heating have brightened owing to the “staggering” growth of renewable energy and green investment in the past two years, the chief of the world’s energy watchdog has said.

Tessa Khan, executive director at Uplift, a campaigning organisation, said: “This [IEA report] is yet more confirmation from the world’s energy experts that we can’t have new oil and gas projects if we’re going to stay within a safe climate, and that massively scaling up renewables is key to achieving that. “Yet the UK is part of a tiny club of wealthy countries that while professing to lead on climate is massively expanding oil and gas production. Just five nations – the US, Canada, Australia, Norway and the UK – are responsible for over half of all planned oil and gas field developments from now to 2050.”

 

[surfstar]

Wow! Since for some reason the admin has allowed this political discussion to go on unchecked, here is my 2 cents: Yes, climate change is occurring, just as it has for the last 4 billion years!
What I question, is just how much impact man has on it. There is an underlying hubris in thinking that just because , we the "superior" creation, are at our zenith, that the earth's climate should cease to change as well. Rather than find ways to attempt to impact the inevitable, better we should do what man as always done so well:
learn to adapt to our ever changing world.

I bought my Maverick ICE simply because, I wanted AWD, and an 8 speed tranny in a cheap, proven platform., which I love! To each his own!

Yes the climate has changed a lot over a long time. What might be different this time is that it might be changing faster than it has before b/c of what humans have/are doing. The rate of change might be the issue. We're releasing carbon from fossil fuels that sat underground for millions of years.

If it turns out we were worried for no reason and humanity survives - great! No harm in being wrong. If it turns out much worse than we think and we screwed ourselves by not doing what we could - well, what's the harm in driving more efficient vehicles, switching to electric heat pumps and putting solar everywhere to be safe?

Pascals wager for climate change.

 

[Waterick]

Working in an environment at an energy lab with six or seven Teslas owned by coworkers, the Maverick was supposed to be my "testing the waters" moment in the EV world. I could dip my toes in without diving in and see what it was all about.

It was enjoyable at first, but reliability issues coupled with dealer support problems tainted my experience.

You need to own a Toyota hybrid for a while to really appreciate the potential of a positive hybrid experience and the hope I have for a positive Maverick owning experience. I think Ford figured their earlier hybrids were over engineered and tried to save some money while also making them better performing and more efficient. If everything went according to plan, you would get a good one. My best hope here, when it comes to service is that my Ford dealer also owns the adjacent Toyota dealer whom I've have very competant and fair priced service from. Still, I'm much concerned about my future experience when my Maverick does arrive.

 

[GPSMan]

Hybrids and EV's absolutely WILL NOT stop the burning of fossil fuels.

They will however, stretch a 50 year supply into a 100 year supply.

 

[JoeinRVA]

I have owned mine for a week. Traded in my F-150, which I loved. Would do it again. This fits more with what I need, I enjoy the look, the interior, and the gas mileage is amazing!

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