Berryman B-12 Fuel Injector Cleaner for 2.0 EcoBoost

[grumpyguy]

It is fuel injector cleaner, how does it get into the cylinder without going thru the fuel injectors? I assume you must have been referring to the benefit of cleaning the backside of the intake valves which it would not help with since it is direct injection. I have been considering the Boomba Racing intake spacer that has ports that could be used to inject cleaner on the backside of the valves, correct?

https://www.boombaracing.com/ford-2-0l-2-3l-eb-intake-manifold-spacer/

I was wondering the same thing. Would definitely have to be post warranty. What cleaner, what quantity and how often. A metered quantity at regular intervals would be awesome. Who wants to volunteer their engine?

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[Joe Mac]

I use Lucas

 

[Baloo]

and I don't understand how carbon buildup from exhaust would get on the back of intake valves in the 1st place? From spent gasses being re-routed through EGR or ? I'm 65 and prone to occasional "Senior Moments" but thinking back to my 1st class on basic engine operating principles in 1973: a 4-cycle engine has Intake, Compression, Power, Exhaust cycles each requiring their own up or down stroke of the piston in the cylinder. Assuming this is true, the exhaust and intake cycles are completely separated by necessity of design and intake valves should be closed when exhaust valves open and vice versa. Exhaust gases and by products should be completely evacuated from combustion chamber and exhaust valve closed by the time intake valve opens for intake stroke.

Am I missing something?

The EGR gasses being reintroduced. That is why some of us are running catch cans to aid in removing the harmful deposits that cause build up before those gasses are reintroduced.

and I don't understand how carbon buildup from exhaust would get on the back of intake valves in the 1st place? From spent gasses being re-routed through EGR or ? I'm 65 and prone to occasional "Senior Moments" but thinking back to my 1st class on basic engine operating principles in 1973: a 4-cycle engine has Intake, Compression, Power, Exhaust cycles each requiring their own up or down stroke of the piston in the cylinder. Assuming this is true, the exhaust and intake cycles are completely separated by necessity of design and intake valves should be closed when exhaust valves open and vice versa. Exhaust gases and by products should be completely evacuated from combustion chamber and exhaust valve closed by the time intake valve opens for intake stroke.

Am I missing something?

You're correct the ERG is where the deposits are coming from.

Some of us are running catch cans to prevent the contamination that causes the build up from the ERG of being reintroduced into the engine.

Many debates about catch cans and only time will tell on the 2.0 ecoboost.
At most they are cheap insurance, at least they are cheap insurance compared to pulling the heads and walnut cleaning.

 

[Montana]

Berryman B-12

It's what Ecoboosts crave. It's got electrolytes.

buy whatever is cheapest - usually seafoam on sale.

 

[fossil]

Some of us are running catch cans to prevent the contamination that causes the build up from the ERG of being reintroduced into the engine.

Many debates about catch cans and only time will tell on the 2.0 ecoboost.
At most they are cheap insurance, at least they are cheap insurance compared to pulling the heads and walnut cleaning.

have seen a few with a few drops of gunk, maybe as engines age

 

[Exranger]

I prefer BG 44k.

Nice, when I worked at Mercedes dealership, I got that for free. I think they charged $50 per can. Now I use Lucas injector cleaner, 6 oz per tank.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

Nice, when I worked at Mercedes dealership, I got that for free. I think they charged $50 per can. Now I use Lucas injector cleaner, 6 oz per tank.

I use Lucas fuel treatment injector cleaner in all my lawnmowers, diesel tractor, generators and double strength in my Polaris ranger as it is more finicky with this "up to 10% ethanol" gas today. Have not used it in Hybrid Lariat or Tremor lariat yet.

 

[sva50233]

There was a lengthy discussion on this like a year ago. I advocated this exact same thing after decades of satisfaction including passing California's strict smog testing with old engines and turning black spark plug electrodes bright white again. Prime example is my 2005 Ford E-450 with fuel injected V-10. There's a vocal group here insisting it wouldn't work for this ECOboost design intake tract and only removing the head and Walnut blasting the valves at intervals would reduce and clean Carbon deposits.

I intuitively trust my own decades of experience with additives but never owned a turbo, so dug into published research and documentation on the issue. Once I came across BMW tech advisories and manuals on their similarly injected motors RECOMMENDING injection cleaning additives at regular intervals to counter carbon build up on valves, that was enough for me.

I'm using only the recommended top tier premium and following my instincts on adding B-12 to my tank at regular intervals.

YMMV

I have a friend who was in the military in California. He said that when he was deployed, he filed paperwork to state that his vehicle was parked out of state. This also exempted him from CA smog. After he returned, he would go to AAA every year and file the same paper. He said that neither the police, nor AAA, nor CA DMV kept records of it, it was a local file that was used to issue registration tags. In other words, a police officer pulling you over wouldn't know that you filed that document--all he sees is that the vehicle is registered and is legal. He said that when he filled out the paperwork at the AAA office, they handed him the registration tags right then and there, with no need to smog. Not sure about the legality of doing it if the vehicle isn't parked out of state.

 

[sva50233]

Nice, when I worked at Mercedes dealership, I got that for free. I think they charged $50 per can. Now I use Lucas injector cleaner, 6 oz per tank.

I would have thought Mercedes would use Liqui Moly Jectron, as it's made in Germany.

I own 7 vintage Mercedes cars, and I can tell you some engines do and don't like the Lucas injector cleaner. After extensive testing on older Benz of various engine sizes and injection typs, I settled on Jectron and Berryman B-12. I received a carefully measured performance, emissions and mileage improvement with regular use. All MB transmissions like the Lucas from my experience. Can't speak for the Maverick, but these engines are so new, I see no point in using injector cleaners. Your valves are likely still nearly perfectly clean

 

[sva50233]

To clean fuel injectors that I have removed from the engine, the following technique has worked well for me. Select any of the above injector cleaners, and soak all the injectors in them as long as you are able to, preferably at least a day, to loosen debris. Then place the injectors in an ultrasonic cleaner for a few hours. Remove injectors and extract all the fluid from them. I've used this technique for diesel injectors which I have disassembled as well. I am unaware of the plastic and rubber components in the Maverick injectors which may be susceptible to wear as a result of this procedure.

 

[Exranger]

I would have thought Mercedes would use Liqui Moly Jectron, as it's made in Germany.

I own 7 vintage Mercedes cars, and I can tell you some engines do and don't like the Lucas injector cleaner. After extensive testing on older Benz of various engine sizes and injection typs, I settled on Jectron and Berryman B-12. I received a carefully measured performance, emissions and mileage improvement with regular use. All MB transmissions like the Lucas from my experience. Can't speak for the Maverick, but these engines are so new, I see no point in using injector cleaners. Your valves are likely still nearly perfectly clean

Yes that was the BG 44 they were using at MB. It had more to do with the program $$$!

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