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So I have the ecoboost fx4 2.0 and my truck since I got it would always go into deep sleep mode where times it didn’t even want to start I took it to ford they put a bigger battery in it and I have not have had a single issue with deep sleep since 👍🏻 hope this helps
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So I have the ecoboost fx4 2.0 and my truck since I got it would always go into deep sleep mode where times it didn’t even want to start I took it to ford they put a bigger battery in it and I have not have had a single issue with deep sleep since 👍🏻 hope this helps
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I believe the 12 volt battery charges at the same rate regardless if you're idling or driving. Are you thinking of the hybrid battery?
I am thinking of the decades long problem where an average alternator does not recharge a 12v battery very fast when the vehicle is at idle in the driveway. The amps it takes to crank it to start are often not replaced by idling for quite some time. Going to have to idle for something like 45 minutes to an hour to regain the lost amps from cranking the engine that one time. The remote start tops out at 30 minutes, then locks you out and doesn't let you remote start again until you have "regular" started it with a key.

Does the hybrid use the 12v to start? Or is that the HV battery? I think that might be the key question. If it is the 12v, then remote starting it probably won't help with Deep Sleep. Unless the juice can flow from the HV to the 12v while running. But if that is true, then why could it not flow to the 12v while at rest/sitting in the driveway to assist with Deep Sleep? Lots of questions. Haha.
 

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Does the hybrid use the 12v to start? Or is that the HV battery? I think that might be the key question. If it is the 12v, then remote starting it probably won't help with Deep Sleep. Unless the juice can flow from the HV to the 12v while running. But if that is true, then why could it not flow to the 12v while at rest/sitting in the driveway to assist with Deep Sleep? Lots of questions. Haha.
The hybrid uses the HV system to start. The 12V system is provided power and recharged by the DC-DC converter which steps down the HV to 12V. But the DC-DC converter is only active when the HV system has its contactor closed; so when the truck is in Ready [to Drive] or when the engine can start such as Remote Start.
 

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The hybrid uses the HV system to start. The 12V system is provided power and recharged by the DC-DC converter which steps down the HV to 12V. But the DC-DC converter is only active when the HV system has its contactor closed; so when the truck is in Ready [to Drive] or when the engine can start such as Remote Start.
Booooooooooo. Sounds like the "easy" solution to Deep Sleep would be to allow the HV to top off the 12v battery 24/7/365. But then if you drained the HV to a level that could permanently damage it.......$$$$$$ repair bill. So I get it.
 

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Deep sleep mode is designed to help preserve your 12v battery charge. It's not necessarily a bad thing
Deep Sleep Mode may be a feature but mine is definitely telling me about problems that don't exist. All this will do is make me ignore it when it matters. I get these messages despite driving it daily. I get these messages WHILE I'm driving it. I have a 2022 XL Hybrid with 10,250 miles. I really like the truck and I've never had a problem with starting it or with powering any features. I'll tell the dealer next time I take it in, but this cannot be how it is supposed to work.
 

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Ok, here is a question for us all. What is your battery voltage at rest?(say after 1hr of no use)
Most deep cycle AGM batteries rest at 12.60 volts, so why would my battery (tested in two locations) be resting at 12.10-12.20 volts? This is to low in my opinion and I think my small battery under the backseat is defective. I tested the voltage of the system while in ready mode and it is 15.10 volts and as soon as I shut the key of the voltage dives to 12.10-12.20 volts. Any thoughts here about what is happening?
Ok, after much searching on the internet I have discovered I made an error in my last post. My battery is not a AGM but with much surprise it is a SLI battery. I can't seem to find much information on these, but one site I did find had several different sizes but they were unavailable. So why would they use this type of battery? You would think an AGM would be a better choice. So I apologize for this misinformation.
I really would like to find out some real answers from Ford because my service manager just keeps trying to crawl into his computer screen when he sees me. After talking to him for at least 10 minutes he askes me" Is your truck a Hybrid"? I almost lost it, but I kept calm. So frustrating!
 
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Ok, here is a question for us all. What is your battery voltage at rest?(say after 1hr of no use)
Most deep cycle AGM batteries rest at 12.60 volts, so why would my battery (tested in two locations) be resting at 12.10-12.20 volts? This is to low in my opinion and I think my small battery under the backseat is defective. I tested the voltage of the system while in ready mode and it is 15.10 volts and as soon as I shut the key of the voltage dives to 12.10-12.20 volts. Any thoughts here about what is happening?
Very standard experience. At 12.1-12.2, the battery is already at 50% cpacity. As an RVer, we know to never allow our batteries to get discharged below the 50% level. But as long as it starts, I'm gradually becoming OK with it. That and I have plenty of warranty left, should it fail. Some folks have gotten dealers to install new batteriies even 3-4 times...which should be a hint that it is performing as designed.

I did stick a little jump box/air compressor combo under the seat if it ever fails. There were early issues with a mega fuse and wiring, but they are past. I had deep sleep many times, but am now on day 9 of not starting it and no deep sleep after a recent BMS update from Ford.
 

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For the AGM battery, 12.3 volts is 50% discharge. When you get below 50% discharged, you are damaging your battery!
 
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For the AGM battery, 12.3 volts is 50% discharge. When you get below 50% discharged, you are damaging your battery!
In the Hybrids, we are pretty much always below 12.0 at the dash outlet when we shut off the truck before all the lights and such shut off.

I agree, I would expect it to be leading to damage from what I know about batteries, but apparently the Ford engineers think that the instant boost to 14.9-15.1 volts the moment the HV battery is alerted (in Accessory or run mode) is sufficient.

We'll see. I am 11 months into the first truck. If it lasts 36 months doing what it does, I'll be content. My C-Max instructed that if the car was left unstarted over 30 days, same as the Maverick instruction. The truck should not require a trickle charge in normal use....but I would not be without the jump box, just to be safe.
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Ok, here is a question for us all. What is your battery voltage at rest?(say after 1hr of no use)
Most deep cycle AGM batteries rest at 12.60 volts, so why would my battery (tested in two locations) be resting at 12.10-12.20 volts? This is to low in my opinion and I think my small battery under the backseat is defective. I tested the voltage of the system while in ready mode and it is 15.10 volts and as soon as I shut the key of the voltage dives to 12.10-12.20 volts. Any thoughts here about what is happening?
The standard 12v in hybrid is EFB not AGM although some have reported that for scan shows their battery type as AGM. With the 2.0 EB mav having either the larger EFB or the AGM depending on availability when theirs was built it's possible maybe that confusion exists in the mix. Since dealer performed 23E09 and 23E07 updates my accessory on voltage shows 14.4-14.6v in dash power point monitor and 15.4-15.6v for much longer time than the ready status of 15.1-15.3 before those updates. However with warmer weather coming maybe the ready voltage will not be needed to be so high. From what I understand the AGM charge profile for most AGM should be fast charge up to 80% then taper off so that AGM will never be overcharged as that is kiss of death for AGM. If you do put a charger on your truck I suggest after it's charged to reset the BMS and then without starting put truck in the locked and not disturbed 6-8 hour battery learn procedure mentioned in manual. This should let the BMS know the fully charged voltage of battery and help it learn what type of battery is installed.
 

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Keep in mind members come on this forum to do mainly 3 things, discuss what they are using their Maverick for , what changes they have made and to complain.
Maybe check out other manufacture forums and see all the different complaints.

I for one have a 2023 Hybrid, it has been flawless. Would purchase again.
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