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I am firmly convinced that full size pickup trucks will grow to the size of tractor trailers and cost more than a house before I'm in the grave. And I'm a Boomer, so that's not too far into the future.
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That truck looks expensive... also gorgeous. Can't imagine that as a work truck.
 

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Hydrogen fuel cells are too complicated with today's tech, which is a big reason why we haven't seen mass adoption. I still wish my Hybrid was a PHEV. I think PHEV is the way to go. You get the commuter benefits of an EV and the ability to refuel and use ICE on longer trips. Should satisfy everyone from all walks of life. But it feels like there's this huge move toward EV only tech. Automakers are losing billions trying to transition, hence the astronomical markups.
That's not the reason. The real reason is there is very limited infrastructure. Biggest one is filling pumps. Unless they build those all across the country it's a major limiter. Toyota pointed that out when they introduced and started selling their hydrogen vehicle. EV's have the same issue but are at least being subsidized by the government to build more power stations Toyota can't afford that type of investment on their own.
 

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Going from the gorgeous concept to this turd was a massive disappointment. I understand tech and manufacturing limitations means brands often can't produce a lot of concepts as shown. That's not what bothered me. It was the timing.

I don't understand why you would develop an incredible concept, reveal it only a month or so before the production model, tell everyone most of the features and design would make it to production, and then reveal than almost none of it was making it to production. The entire time they saw were showing off the concept, they knew they were lying and misleading their audience.

It's not like a car where the production car comes out 5 years after the concept. They knew what the production truck was going to be like well before the concept was shown. The end result is the production truck looks like a joke in comparison. Just a really idiotic, and insane strategy to upstage one of your most important products by showing a concept immediately beforehand that was 100X better than what you actually produced.
 
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Going from the gorgeous concept to this turd was a massive disappointment. I understand tech and manufacturing limitations means brands often can't produce a lot of concepts as shown. That's not what bothered me. It was the timing.

I don't understand why you would develop an incredible concept, reveal it only a month or so before the production model, tell everyone most of the features and design would make it to production, and then reveal than almost none of it was making it to production. The entire time they saw were showing off the concept, they knew they were lying and misleading their audience.

It's not like a car where the production car comes out 5 years after the concept. They knew what the production truck was going to be like well before the concept was shown. The end result is the production truck looks like a joke in comparison. Just a really idiotic, and insane strategy to upstage one of your most important products by showing a concept immediately beforehand that was 100X better than what you actually produced.
The concept was to show off concepts they have for future trucks. Hence the name. Almost everyone who follows the auto industry takes concepts with a heaping grain of salt.

Personally, I like the more subdued version they rolled out as the production model more than the concept.
 

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The concept was to show off concepts they have for future trucks. Hence the name. Almost everyone who follows the auto industry takes concepts with a heaping grain of salt.

Personally, I like the more subdued version they rolled out as the production model more than the concept.
Exactly, I didn't expect the concept to be indicative of the production model, until they mentioned how most of what they were showing would carry over to their first ev ram, which wasn't true. Historically speaking, you're right, concept cars rarely carried over into production.

But that trend appears to be shifting. Ford, Tesla, Gm, Toyota, Kia/Hyundai, Vw, genesis, Polestar, all examples of brands who've done an excellent job this last decade or so of bringing well received concept cars into production with minimal changes. So I'd argue expecting concepts to carry over into production models is pretty reasonable in this day and age given the precedent set by the aforementioned brands.
 
 







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