Looks Like Ford and GM has room for improvement on Winter Weather EV Battery Range

[OleFordGuy]

If this is accurate/true.....
https://news.yahoo.com/cold-hard-truth-evs-winter-103037566.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

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[huunvubu]

If this is accurate/true.....
https://news.yahoo.com/cold-hard-truth-evs-winter-103037566.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

This is why I opted for the Maverick Hybrid and really would not want an EV version of the Maverick as range anxiety would be an issue for me.

I know that I can go 500+ miles in my Maverick Hybrid no matter what the outside temperature is.

 

[OleFordGuy]

yep, I'm not a taker on this EV train, battery technology and charging issue galore IMO, and don't see it fixed even remotely soon. I will keep my Freedom and not be stuck with limitations

 

[Snax]

I've driven an EV car for about 4 years. While it's true that range does drop in cold temperatures, a little planning makes it not that big of a deal.

 

[huunvubu]

I've driven an EV car for about 4 years. While it's true that range does drop in cold temperatures, a little planning makes it not that big of a deal.

I am going on a trip this summer from Dallas to Saint Louis, then to Chicago, then to Iowa and finally back to Dallas. It would take more than a little planning. In my Hybrid Maverick no planning required.

EV's are great for city only driving or delivery vehicles not so for family vacations or unexpected long trips.

 

[Snax]

I am going on a trip this summer from Dallas to Saint Louis, then to Chicago, then to Iowa and finally back to Dallas. It would take more than a little planning. In my Hybrid Maverick no planning required.

EV's are great for city only driving or delivery vehicles not so for family vacations or unexpected long trips.

Yep, it's true that ICE vehicles are more convenient for longer trips. But quick charging, larger batteries, etc. are becoming more common. For now, I commute in my EV, and use my hybrid Maverick for longer trips.

 

[OleFordGuy]

Whew, yep just leave the EV parked at home for trips. I'm the type that likes to go and get there as soon as can and then enjoy the activities, etc. I would go nuts stopping and going through this. Technology has got to improve for this to be mainstream IMO.

 

[Rob Cactus Gray]

There has been a rapid adoption of EV technology. All manufacturers have jumped on board. The technology is clearly there with Tesla. That leaves the others a decade or more behind. Let the early adopters be the beta testers and get the infrastructure set up.

My Maverick will get me another decade (hopefully 2) to watch the market and make an informed decision on an EV. At this point it is my plan to buy one after the Maverick. Maybe a Maverick EV?

 

[shark978]

There has been a rapid adoption of EV technology. All manufacturers have jumped on board. The technology is clearly there with Tesla. That leaves the others a decade or more behind. Let the early adopters be the beta testers and get the infrastructure set up.

That tends to happen when the alternative is (effectively) slowly being banned.

There are quite a few gotchas with EV's the media doesnt cover.

I am sure Tesla is somehow externally heating the batteries, this is how to avoid cold degradation. However Model Y's are extremely pricy, I just looked and it starts at ~$60k now. Tesla is raising prices across the line almost by the day. A guy in Norway I follow in unrelated industry (video game programmer) on twitter has kind of been live tweeting his EV (it is a volkswagon). He says a heated garage is very nice if not a must have for an EV on cold days, otherwise the battery consumption increases 50% for the first 15 minutes, then 20% increase thereafter. I find that ironic that we may now pay and use energy to heat garages as a side effect of having a car supposedly good for the environment (though I highly doubt EV's actually are). On the plus side he said EV heating systems are very good/fast, pushes a lot of heat to the cabin instantly.

 

[Darnon]

The Leaf and Outlander are weird examples there. The Leaf is old and being a PHEV the Outlander doesn't have fast charging as a priority because you're meant to charge it when it's stationary for longer periods (Home/Work).

Compare to something more contemporary like the Ioniq5 and in particular charging to only 80% as after that EVs tend to slow down for battery management purposes:

So hook up to a fast charger and in 20 minutes you can pick up almost 200 miles range.

 

[Garbone]

Well with 13500 miles and over a year with our MachE I can say charging is really a non issue.

FordMoCo marketing just interviewed me today on transitioning to BEV and my thoughts on ownership. At the end they asked if I had any questions. I asked "Are there plans to release a Maverick BEV in the near future?" Their response was " I can give you no information in regards to that.".

Wishfully thinking on my part.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

That tends to happen when the alternative is (effectively) slowly being banned.

There are quite a few gotchas with EV's the media doesnt cover.

I am sure Tesla is somehow externally heating the batteries, this is how to avoid cold degradation. However Model Y's are extremely pricy, I just looked and it starts at ~$60k now. Tesla is raising prices across the line almost by the day. A guy in Norway I follow in unrelated industry (video game programmer) on twitter has kind of been live tweeting his EV (it is a volkswagon). He says a heated garage is very nice if not a must have for an EV on cold days, otherwise the battery consumption increases 50% for the first 15 minutes, then 20% increase thereafter. I find that ironic that we may now pay and use energy to heat garages as a side effect of having a car supposedly good for the environment (though I highly doubt EV's actually are). On the plus side he said EV heating systems are very good/fast, pushes a lot of heat to the cabin instantly.

You can purchase batteries that have internal heaters which can be turned on by the BMS. Battery capacity is usually increased by 15% to handle the extra load.

 

[TrailMaster]

Of course it's true. Frigid cold temperatures, as well as constant freeze/thaw cycles play hell with all types of batteries. Just ask anyone who lives in frigid cold temps -- like me.

 

[Snox801]

The Leaf and Outlander are weird examples there. The Leaf is old and being a PHEV the Outlander doesn't have fast charging as a priority because you're meant to charge it when it's stationary for longer periods (Home/Work).

Compare to something more contemporary like the Ioniq5 and in particular charging to only 80% as after that EVs tend to slow down for battery management purposes:

So hook up to a fast charger and in 20 minutes you can pick up almost 200 miles range.

20 minutes is an eternity compared to filling even my 36 gallon tank on my truck.

 

[Old Ford Guy]

That tends to happen when the alternative is (effectively) slowly being banned.

There are quite a few gotchas with EV's the media doesnt cover.

I am sure Tesla is somehow externally heating the batteries, this is how to avoid cold degradation. However Model Y's are extremely pricy, I just looked and it starts at ~$60k now. Tesla is raising prices across the line almost by the day. A guy in Norway I follow in unrelated industry (video game programmer) on twitter has kind of been live tweeting his EV (it is a volkswagon). He says a heated garage is very nice if not a must have for an EV on cold days, otherwise the battery consumption increases 50% for the first 15 minutes, then 20% increase thereafter. I find that ironic that we may now pay and use energy to heat garages as a side effect of having a car supposedly good for the environment (though I highly doubt EV's actually are). On the plus side he said EV heating systems are very good/fast, pushes a lot of heat to the cabin instantly.

at least he has someplace o charge that EV. it's just a fact of life that as temps decrease so does current hybrid/electric vehicle battery efiiciency decrease.
as the weather gets cooler around here i have seen my Mav hybrid MPG take a hit as well.
but it's still good enough to put a big smile on my face

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