For those of you without hybrid experience

[Eagle11]

Not entirely true in a hybrid, some of the energy is recovered by regenerative braking, to be used when you accelerate again.

what would be interesting to see is how efficient the regenerative system actually is, in fact it would be cool to see the numbers for each portion to know that if you loose 30,000 kg m/s you can store 20,000 kg m/s (a 66% efficiency) and then use 15,000 kg m/s (75% efficiency) or whatever the real numbers are.

Isn't the Hybrid system in the Maverick the same as the Escape?

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[mamboman777]

Isn't the Hybrid system in the Maverick the same as the Escape?

I believe it's the same concept, however, the new Maverick has a new electrical motor and different gear ratio. Also, I think they could make completely different behaviors in code.

It wouldn't surprise me if they were intentionally different to increase Maverick towing/payload capabilities. But, hey... I'm just a dude searching Google.

 

[fbov]

Honestly, I don't think driving a vehicle different is going to make a huge difference either.

You're wrong. When we inherited the C-Max, I read forums, and did what they said (baseline)for good mileage. The next year, I'd learned a little and found an even better way. This data is a 15.3 mile commute, all cold start. The Baseline period started a month after I got the car, so I had some experience.

The change was to accelerate more slowly. Run the engine a little slower, for longer time, so the HVB took on more charge. Longer EV runs more than made up for any added fuel use.

This also shows the negligible of impact moving to snow tires and the huge impact of temperature. I have never seen it roll over at the high end, and I always run AC. However, this data is nearly all late morning and early evening, so not in the heat of the day.

Not entirely true in a hybrid,

That depends strongly on the hybrid, now doesn't it?

what would be interesting to see is how efficient the regenerative system actually is...

One of the more knowledgeable C-Max forum participants did an analysis that showed C-Max was about 85% efficient. I hoped that bumped to 90% with the HF45's integral inverter.

 

[SgtLip]

Okay, yes. Hybrids get "slightly better" mileage in town, than on the freeway. But I just really want to stress something here > The only reason this gets so much attention, is that every ICE vehicle produced over the last 100 years, got better mileage on the freeway. So this makes it a big deal. However, the fact of the matter is, the difference between city driving and freeway driving with a hybrid, is much less than the difference between city and freeway driving in an ICE vehicle.

I've just heard too many people acting as if the 40 mpg figure for the hybrid Maverick is "only" going to be on the freeway, and as if it will probably get barely 30mpg's in town. Well if it turns out to be anything like my Prius, it will get 42 in town, and 39 on the freeway, for a combined total of 41.

I mentioned this in another post, I think a lot of the skepticism on mileage estimates, comes from several years back, when manufacturers were pulling all kinds of garbage (lying) about there mileage, but that resulted in some fat lawsuits, of which Ford took the hardest hit ! Now, if they say a vehicle will get X mpg, it will likely get X mileage mpg, + maybe a little more, if your driving it, keeping mileage in mind.

IF the Hybrid Maverick doesn't get 40 mpg "combined" then they need to talk with Toyota. But I'm kind of thinking it will get very close to 40 mpg, for most, and better for some.

I mentioned in one of my first posts about this same subject, I said when I decided to purchase a Hybrid, my mindset had to change. There is NO USE in buying a Hybrid if you continue to drive like a mad man. I have learned driving the speed limit does in fact save fuel regardless if it's city or highway/freeway.

I'm driving my second Hybrid and I am NOT seeing the results you see city vs highway/freeway. I have found when on the freeway at higher MPH you will consume more fuel which will drive MPG down. But I've found the reason is I set the cruise control at 75-78 MPH. If the speed limit is 70 I found driving 70 doesn't burn the fuel. If the speed limit drops, I drop and stay at the posted limit.

 

[A Dodge that drives Fords]

So what test speed do people think there did to get city and highway fuel economy numbers.

 

[PriusHater]

While I understand the reasoning, somehow my Prius often gets better mileage on the Highway than around town. 40-42 mpg in town and sometimes 44-49 on the interstate. Beats me how it happens.

 

[mamboman777]

While I understand the reasoning, somehow my Prius often gets better mileage on the Highway than around town. 40-42 mpg in town and sometimes 44-49 on the interstate. Beats me how it happens.

What is your highway speed? I believe that air resistance is logarithmic past around 55. I'm sure someone smarter than me will correct/re-explain this, but what that means is that staying around 55 much more fuel used is much higher at higher speeds. I'm a cruise control abuser and I've seen a huge (5-6mpg) difference between 50-60mph. My current Ford focus is rated 32mpg highway. I've gotten 40 mpg before going 50 mph doing %90 highway. Now, that got boring and took way to long, but still...

 

[PriusHater]

Highway speed meaning 70-75 mph on the interstate.

 

[BDennis]

Okay, yes. Hybrids get "slightly better" mileage in town, than on the freeway. But I just really want to stress something here > The only reason this gets so much attention, is that every ICE vehicle produced over the last 100 years, got better mileage on the freeway. So this makes it a big deal. However, the fact of the matter is, the difference between city driving and freeway driving with a hybrid, is much less than the difference between city and freeway driving in an ICE vehicle.

I've just heard too many people acting as if the 40 mpg figure for the hybrid Maverick is "only" going to be on the freeway, and as if it will probably get barely 30mpg's in town. Well if it turns out to be anything like my Prius, it will get 42 in town, and 39 on the freeway, for a combined total of 41.

I mentioned this in another post, I think a lot of the skepticism on mileage estimates, comes from several years back, when manufacturers were pulling all kinds of garbage (lying) about there mileage, but that resulted in some fat lawsuits, of which Ford took the hardest hit ! Now, if they say a vehicle will get X mpg, it will likely get X mileage mpg, + maybe a little more, if your driving it, keeping mileage in mind.

IF the Hybrid Maverick doesn't get 40 mpg "combined" then they need to talk with Toyota. But I'm kind of thinking it will get very close to 40 mpg, for most, and better for some.

You Prius is designed to be much more aerodynamic which really impacts freeway mileage. Maverick is expected to be 40 city and 33 Highway. The gap here will larger than your Prius due do the Maverick truck aerodynamics. You would be better of comparing the Maverick with the 2021 1.5 L, 3 cyl Ecoboost, Automatic 8-spd FWD which returns 28 city 34 highway. So I this case you “slightly better” city mileage vs the Escape is 40 for the Maverick vs 28 for the Escape. So you slightly is a 42% increase in city MPG, so perhaps you should Google the definition of slightly

 

[BDennis]

What is your highway speed? I believe that air resistance is logarithmic past around 55. I'm sure someone smarter than me will correct/re-explain this, but what that means is that staying around 55 much more fuel used is much higher at higher speeds. I'm a cruise control abuser and I've seen a huge (5-6mpg) difference between 50-60mph. My current Ford focus is rated 32mpg highway. I've gotten 40 mpg before going 50 mph doing %90 highway. Now, that got boring and took way to long, but still...

Do really really do 55 on the freeway?

 

[mamboman777]

Do really really do 55 on the freeway?

I did once on a road trip I did from Texas to Georgia as an experiment to see how many mpg I could get. Honestly, I am happy just listening to my audiobooks in the right hand lane.

That being said...I don't do that anymore. Usually just the speed limit in the right hand lane. I've been a much happier driver since I figured out that people are only in your way if you are trying to go faster than them.

 

[ttthhasdf]

If you watch and think about how people are driving, a lot of people gun the gas when the light turns green and slam the breaks when they get to a red light. If you accelerate more evenly and break slow and steady you will get a lot more mpg out of a hybrid than if you drive by slamming the gas then slamming the break. The smooth and steady breaking is important for charging the batteries. You'll get there about the same time but you won't waste as much gas.

 

[mamboman777]

If you watch and think about how people are driving, a lot of people gun the gas when the light turns green and slam the breaks when they get to a red light. If you accelerate more evenly and break slow and steady you will get a lot more mpg out of a hybrid than if you drive by slamming the gas then slamming the break. The smooth and steady breaking is important for charging the batteries. You'll get there about the same time but you won't waste as much gas.

This works for non hybrid engines, too

 

[Fish Chris]

Your

You're wrong. When we inherited the C-Max, I read forums, and did what they said (baseline)for good mileage. The next year, I'd learned a little and found an even better way. This data is a 15.3 mile commute, all cold start. The Baseline period started a month after I got the car, so I had some experience.

The change was to accelerate more slowly. Run the engine a little slower, for longer time, so the HVB took on more charge. Longer EV runs more than made up for any added fuel use.

This also shows the negligible of impact moving to snow tires and the huge impact of temperature. I have never seen it roll over at the high end, and I always run AC. However, this data is nearly all late morning and early evening, so not in the heat of the day.


That depends strongly on the hybrid, now doesn't it?

One of the more knowledgeable C-Max forum participants did an analysis that showed C-Max was about 85% efficient. I hoped that bumped to 90% with the HF45's integral inverter.

Your chart is a little confusing. Can you tell me what your average mpg's were before, and after you learned how to drive your car ? Then I'll decide if I think that is a huge difference
I definitely do not drive to optimize my mileage in my Prius (and 80% highway) yet I get 53 mpg, in a car rated at 52 in town, and 48 highway. I know their are hyper milers getting much better mileage than me, but I don't have time for that, plus I'm pretty okay with 53 mpg.

 

[Eagle11]

You Prius is designed to be much more aerodynamic which really impacts freeway mileage. Maverick is expected to be 40 city and 33 Highway. The gap here will larger than your Prius due do the Maverick truck aerodynamics. You would be better of comparing the Maverick with the 2021 1.5 L, 3 cyl Ecoboost, Automatic 8-spd FWD which returns 28 city 34 highway. So I this case you “slightly better” city mileage vs the Escape is 40 for the Maverick vs 28 for the Escape. So you slightly is a 42% increase in city MPG, so perhaps you should Google the definition of slightly

I was under the impression it was 40 highway.

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