Ford EV Truck & Low-Price Platform -- New Specs & Details

[Chops]

We all cannot flush the toilet at the same time today. There would be zero water pressure. Yet, somehow, we are all just fine.

Water pressure is maintained by the grid not by the water. Super Bowl flush issues are not water related but are grid related.

Stressing an already overextended grid with massive EV charging will affect your flush

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[grumpyunk]

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Ford's Fox and Panther chassis are prime examples. They lasted a long time with minimal investment by Ford, and that kept those vehicles in a very reasonable price range.

Parts from the Falcon lasted up into the late 1960's, andpossibly into the 70's. You can see the depressions for the headlight buckets in the radiator support, about 2 feet behind the grill on a '69 Montego. I have not really checked past that. 70 Maverick perhaps...

Look under the Bronco Sport and the Maverick and stare at the underside of an Escape from previous years.

 

[Deleted User 24227]

Things many non EV owners don't know. As an owner (wife's daily) of a 23 Mach-e It would take a HUGE change to EV's for me to buy another. Our EV claimed range is 258 miles per charge, we've never achieved that even in the best of conditions. In the winter if we want to be comfortable with heat our driving range can drop nearly in half. Forget about trips and relying on outside chargers, it can easily cost more than the equivalent in gas and have you waiting for a charger and then waiting for the charge to complete. The extra weight of the battery eats tires up, we're at 27k miles and by 30k no question we will be buying the 3rd set (1 set came with vehicle) and we are older adults that aren't racing around. Very important is the cost of insurance, which is easily 50% to more than double a standard ICE vehicle. Registration also cost more which I understand since they don't collect the gas tax for road repairs. I wouldn't mind that so much if I saw those road repairs or at least saw them without 12 guys standing around doing nothing. Give me a Mav with 40-50 miles of electric range with ICE and I'm all in. For now I'm very happy with my Hybrid Mav allowing me to travel where no man has traveled before(okay a little exaggeration for effect) lol. Your miles may differ but this is my experience owning an EV here on Long Island, NY for 2+ years. PS my year Mach e doesn't have a heat pump which I hear helps in the winter but I'd can't imagine it helps enough. Now the plus side, it drives well, it is quiet and the instant torque is nice when merging etc, charging from home is also very convenient and cost effective charging at night. So this is usually the go to for local errands. Many EV's have taken a huge hit in resale value for many of the reasons I stated. To slightly naive buyers who aren't aware of the pitfalls mentioned they may think they're getting a good deal on a used one and they might be if they can charge from home and are looking for something to mainly drive locally, BUT get insurance quotes before that "good" deal ends up costing you a lot more than you bargained for. The End

 

[grumpyunk]

I remember when GM announced their 'universal platform' upon which they would build the cars & trucks of their future.
Well... that went well. not. I do not remember the details, but the universal chassis did not work out so well when it came to actual building on an assembly line. They spent a lot of $$, and got not much in return.
Given the Farley touch, so far deleting all base model cars resulting in fewer first time buyers(less car buyers overall for sure), leading to less customer upgrade feeds down the road, I am not too sure this thing will ever fly. And. If it does, they likely will not make the investment to meet demand as they did back in Falcon and Mustang times when factories were converted mid-year to meet demand. Even the low-profit Falcon demand had its production bumped when they realized they had a success on their hands. Farley & Crew ignored the popularity of the Maverick and basically kept production low. IMO. Luckily for them(maybe) the other makers did not have anything close in their pipelines so far.
A full BEV should likely be marketed to those who do not need longer range and can re-charge their batteries with little effort, at home, overnight with the chargers smartened enough to power on during low demand hours. Likely not entrants in the Cannon Ball Cross Country Run, ever. (unless they have a Generac in the bed)

 

[dalola]

Things many non EV owners don't know. As an owner (wife's daily) of a 23 Mach-e It would take a HUGE change to EV's for me to buy another. Our EV claimed range is 258 miles per charge, we've never achieved that even in the best of conditions. In the winter if we want to be comfortable with heat our driving range can drop nearly in half. Forget about trips and relying on outside chargers, it can easily cost more than the equivalent in gas and have you waiting for a charger and then waiting for the charge to complete. The extra weight of the battery eats tires up, we're at 27k miles and by 30k no question we will be buying the 3rd set (1 set came with vehicle) and we are older adults that aren't racing around. Very important is the cost of insurance, which is easily 50% to more than double a standard ICE vehicle. Registration also cost more which I understand since they don't collect the gas tax for road repairs. I wouldn't mind that so much if I saw those road repairs or at least saw them without 12 guys standing around doing nothing. Give me a Mav with 40-50 miles of electric range with ICE and I'm all in. For now I'm very happy with my Hybrid Mav allowing me to travel where no man has traveled before(okay a little exaggeration for effect) lol. Your miles may differ but this is my experience owning an EV here on Long Island, NY for 2+ years. PS my year Mach e doesn't have a heat pump which I hear helps in the winter but I'd can't imagine it helps enough. Now the plus side, it drives well, it is quiet and the instant torque is nice when merging etc, charging from home is also very convenient and cost effective charging at night. So this is usually the go to for local errands. Many EV's have taken a huge hit in resale value for many of the reasons I stated. To slightly naive buyers who aren't aware of the pitfalls mentioned they may think they're getting a good deal on a used one and they might be if they can charge from home and are looking for something to mainly drive locally, BUT get insurance quotes before that "good" deal ends up costing you a lot more than you bargained for. The End

I agree with most of your points, but the insurance cost will vary by location. In our case, our BEV insurance was about 10% cheaper than the ICE SUV it replaced, for the same coverage. Thus the importance of doing your homework prior to purchase.

 

[Deleted User 24227]

I agree with most of your points, but the insurance cost will vary by location. In our case, our BEV insurance was about 10% cheaper than the ICE SUV it replaced, for the same coverage. Thus the importance of doing your homework prior to purchase.

WOW I truly am shocked by that. I'm going based off our experience here in NY and also from many videos on YT stating the same. You blew my mind and you're 100% correct, homework must be done in advance

 

[ShadowBlack XL440]

If you'll recall, our Mavericks were introduced at an unbelievably low price.

Please try not to use RECALL and MAVERICK in the same sentence. I have heard that too much already.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

Absolutely not, unless such vehicles are banned from interstate use. That would be insane.

Just ban the "fast" ones.
Take your fast ones to the track.
You can have em. But over so many horsepower would no longer street legal.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

“An EV is an appliance. A big one, but not different than an Air Conditioner.”
Ok let’s look at that aspect.
It’s like two large air conditioners requiring two to three times the current.
Why 3 Times ? It doesn’t cycle a compressor, it’s a continuous load.
Compare the ‘Tankless Water heaters’ also requires a 60 amp circuit but we run the hot water for a much shorter duration and again not at full load.

I forget the company and city. It was a trucking company. Tesla built them a fleet of six EV tractor trailers, for route work. The second part of the order was six more.
They had to add extensive power equipment to charge the big trucks.
It was frito lay or a Coca-Cola distributor.

Another company wanted to do the same thing on the same power grid, sane city.
The local power company said no.
Says they did not have the additional supply capacity.

This has little to do with flushing toilets.
Water towers can build up water pressure and hold it. Till the mass flush occurs. lol

If you add a Tesla fast home charger you need an extra sixty amp circuit.

Most Everyone will be charging at night.
Millions of homes, millions of cars.

I remember the rolling brown outs in central Florida because we had a long deep cold spell.
Sad thing was the zip codes with important people living in them did not ‘brown out’
Only the poor neighborhoods did.

The grid could not keep up with demand and that was all the 30 amp HVAC systems not the 60 amp fast chargers EV’s will need.

I bet you didn’t know if you plug a EV in a standard 15 amp circuit overnight you will get around a 15-20% charge.

We will have to burn much more coal and gas to generate the extra power. These sources emissions are not as well regulated as cars.
These EV’s in large numbers will impact air quality but no one is talking about that.

These EV’s burn coal, natural gas and other forms of combustible fuels. Hydro electric power is a small percentage.
As for wind power, that was perfectly explained in the show, “Land Man”

A 60 amp circuit running at night for six hours. We will need to double the grids capacity.
We don’t even have the transmission lines for that.
If we start now it will take 30 Years to add the capacity. No one is talking about that.
Head in the sand seems to be the way.

Your wrong.

Gas is plentiful and cheap. Ford has time on their side to get it right.

I see a future where an EV owner is only allowed to charge between certain hours.
Say this zip code can charge between 8 pm and midnight. Another, midnight to 4 am etc.

Another solution to supplement would be a homes roof covered in solar cells feeding the grid when not charging the EV.
Solar panels on every EV’s roof,
Better cells,
Progress, it will come.
It will work for city commuters.

Got laid?

Because you're speaking like a true lay person.

 

[GmanGM]

Some sketches, we'll see how close the final truck is to these. They're bold, polarizing, but I kinda love how Ford took a swing with the styling.

If it looks like that it’s a non starter for me, which would be disappointing as I was planning to get one.

 

[GmanGM]

Everyone is gonna feel differently about things. Some will want this here to be more conservative, others will want it to be more sporty and aggressive, you can't make both sides happy.

My stance on the matter is yes, this and the maverick aren't the same truck, ones gas powered and ones an EV. But beyond that, they're both relatively compact, affordable, cheap to own Ford trucks. There's a ton of overlap there, especially if you own a hybrid maverick, now you're looking at two energy efficient, compact, affordable Ford trucks that will be similar in size and price.

I feel like they should be differentiated so both can succeed, and having different designs is a good way to do that. The maverick is a good looking truck, but it's very conventional looking. For all the truck types offers, they don't offer a boldly styled lifestyle truck, everything they make has that very traditional truck shape to it.

Having a modern ranchero as this super affordable, sporty ute with expressive styling isn't the worst idea in the world. Something with a muscular front end, maybe a slight coupe influence in the rear, with more customization and advanced tech than what the maverick offers.

That way, Ford could appeal to both crowds. The traditionalists who just want a convention looking truck, and those who want truck utility with a bolder design. I believe there's a market for both.

And yet the “stylish” Mav competitor (Santa Cruz) sold 1 /3 of Maverick volume and was just cancelled/failed,,,, one can argue that the Sant Cruz had no hybrid, phev or EV option and that was a reason for failing,,,,,,,
And yet the different and EV Cybertruck has also mostly failed.
I’m ok w some mods to design and had a Ranchero at one time, but if it’s a truck it should should not look like science fiction, and ugly sci fi at that.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

If it looks like that it’s a non starter for me, which would be disappointing as I was planning to get one.

It's going to look like a stylized Maverick.

 

[GmanGM]

Got laid?

Because you're speaking like a true lay person.

Cybertruck with some curves.

yuk to both so I hope not

 

[GmanGM]

It's going to look like a stylized Maverick.

That could work

 

[GmanGM]

Sorry to see this devolve into an EV vs EV bad thing. Doesn't seem like a pitch on either side is going to change anyone's religion.

Re the subject of the original post: I'm impressed by what Ford has presented. And it isn't about a distant future hope: 2028 isn't that far off.

Love the concept, the small efficiency victories presented. They add up. Fascinated to see what the new small truck will look like. Something different to pull off that air efficiency, but hopefully not absurd looking (ie cybertruck~ish).

Creative EV's and hybrids are on the horizon... it's great seeing a "legacy" automaker like Ford step up their game and be key part of that future.

Meanwhile, I continue to be impressed with the hybrid system on my Maverick.

Put an asterisk on your “not absurd looking (ie cybertruck~ish)”.
yes the mav hybrid is good but I had wanted it to be a phev/rhev so while it was best truck I could get I feel both ford and others could have and can do better- I guess that’s a bit ungrateful but it’s what drives improvement so I stand by it.

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