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Well my thing is I can put myself in a 30 year old truck with no safety feature at all and have no issue registering it and driving it but got forbid I put myself in a brand new vehicle with air bags and other safety features that didn’t pass us crash standards
Perfect illustration. And is that old truck really that much more dangerous than the new one? How much did the dial move when they added the "safety"? Things that should make people go hmmmm...
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Whatever is shown on a dealership's web page is NOT the factory sticker. I NEVER fall for their advertised prices. I had already looked on the Ford website so knew the sticker price. everyone wants a new vehicle in 2025 for the same prices as 2000 yet are not willing to work for the same wages as 2000. I bought my first brand new vehicle at 19 y.o. in 1978. A Chevy Blazer I ordered and paid $6100 for it sticker was $7200. At the time I was making good money at $4.65/hour and the interest rate on that purchase was 12.9% APR.
I hear what you are saying, but I vividly recall when Ford would run these specials with the Escort and the Ranger base models vehicles and the price spread was $1000 between the car and the truck. There used to be base model affordable options even back in the day. That picture doesn't hardly exist anymore in the US. You still see it in other markets.
 

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Yes, a 30 year old truck with no air bags is most definitely less safe. Come on. And as for a $30,000 new truck being unaffordable, I don’t buy that argument. None of us make $15,000 a year these days, like I did when I started my career in 1983. People “forced into” seven year loans and bad lease deals also have options, plenty of them. Are they buying a Sentra or used vehicle, or do they “deserve” that $60,000 F 150 or $48,000 Santa Fe? How many cell phones do they have? How new? Streaming services? What’s their budget for alcohol, food and going out? Do they even have one? What Americans lack in 2025 isn’t income, it’s self discipline. My rant for today. But no matter what, a Maverick is a cost effective choice.
 

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Well my thing is I can put myself in a 30 year old truck with no safety feature at all and have no issue registering it and driving it but got forbid I put myself in a brand new vehicle with air bags and other safety features that didn’t pass us crash standards
Not a great example. Should we scrap all old cars and force people to buy new.
Buy your very own logic, All homes that don't meet current code should be forced to remodel or be torn down.

Stuff id grand fathered all the time.
 
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And the MAVERICK xl with no options is the lowest priced Ford. The Nissan Versa is the lowest priced car available in the US. You get what you pay for. I know you could build it cheaper with manual windows (NOPE cost more to produced the mechanism than the little DC motor), manual transmission (buying public has shown they don't want it, cost of multiple configurations in assembly add to over all cost). If you look at ALL of the threads where people are adding better sound systems, expensive suspension upgrades, sliding rear windows in XLs and XLTs, Aftermarket wheels, etc. you will see that in reality 75% or more do not want a plain jane stripped vehicle. They might buy 1 and spend more to make it like the higher trim level. If research showed that the majority of buyers wanted a stripped vehicle that is what would be on the lots. Dealers and manufacturers make many on volume not 1 off sales.
No argument that todays base vehicle has most of the equipment that people used to option for, yet it is still todays base model regardless. But that is true across all vehicles and not just Ford. The price spread between that base model car and base model truck is nothing like it is today.

I guess everyone thinks this is affordable for average Joe/Jane. I will go back to my popcorn and just watch the circus.
 
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Not a great example. Should we scrap all old cars and force people to buy new.
Buy your very own logic, All homes that don't meet current code should be forced to remodel or be torn down.

Stuff id grand fathered all the time.
A long long time ago when I lived in Japan they have a similar program of inspections on their vehicles. When the vehicle is new you can get a multi year inspection certificate for your vehicle. It started off at a somewhat reasonable cost. At a certain age, which wasn't really that old it would transition to annual inspections. And the inspections were pretty tough and pretty expensive. It forced people to either buy newer vehicles or just not drive. The price of older vehicles at the time seemed cheap, but it was because the inspections were coming due. For those of us in the military if we were only going to be there for another year that might still work if the vehicle was in really good condition the cost of the inspection might still make it worth it. That program and policy forced perfectly good vehicles off the road in Japan as the cost to keep an older vehicle was as high or higher than getting something newer.

It really is a terrible waste. Common sense isn't common it seems.
 

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Maybe not, but they're losing sales to Maverick.

My brother, a lifelong Toyota worshiper, has had a Tacoma for over 20 years. The reason he didn't replace it is because Toyota no longer offers a truck of similar size to his old one.
His last Toyota purchase was an Avalon, which has been a total POS in his case. And the dealer is over 40 miles away which makes it very inconvenient to get it serviced.

Last weekend, he and his wife test drove my Maverick. After the drive, they were both so impressed that we ended up at the Ford dealer (5 miles away), where he ordered a 2025 Maverick XL Hybrid.

Toyota is losing sales to Ford.
And Toyota has stated the don't care, and don't want a compact truck.
 

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And Toyota has stated the don't care, and don't want a compact truck.
This is not what Toyota is saying. It is coming, per this article from last month with quotes from Toyota executives.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/toyota-compact-pickup-truck-confirmed

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“Decisions have been made. The question is when we can slot it in. It’s not a matter of ‘if,’ at this point,” Ericksen tells MotorTrend. We’ve studied it a lot. We’re dedicated to it. We’re going to figure out how to make it work.”

Chris Ericksen is the head of product planning and strategy for Toyota North America.
 
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It only took them 5 years to realize they wanted to compete.
That's not how I read it. No doubt the Maverick is a huge success for Ford, but Toyota is not exactly hurting for sales, either.

More competition will be a good thing. If the Maverick had not been the only game in town, it might be a better product than it is currently (and its still good). But Ford has continuously dropped the ball. The XL went from $20k to basically $30k in a few years, they must be shooting for a world record on recalls and stop sales, etc etc.. The existence of the Maverick should make the Toyota product, when released, that much better as they'll benchmark the great things about the Maverick.
 

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That's not how I read it. No doubt the Maverick is a huge success for Ford, but Toyota is not exactly hurting for sales, either.

More competition will be a good thing. If the Maverick had not been the only game in town, it might be a better product than it is currently (and its still good). But Ford has continuously dropped the ball. The XL went from $20k to basically $30k in a few years, they must be shooting for a world record on recalls and stop sales, etc etc etc. Whether you or I drop the Maverick for whatever Toyota comes up with doesn't really matter but having competition is always good.
Maverick went from $21,490 to $29,840 in 4 years, a big increase of $8,350 but not quite $10,000. Ford introduced it at a ridiculously low price to get attention and it worked. It is priced more correctly now.
 

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The first picture of the stamped Maverick tailgate was publicly released almost 5 years ago.

If they wanted to compete, they would have by now imo. Problem is, they don't want to compete on price.
 

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Sort of like the big EV 2 door truck to be built (someone blocks criticism of the brand) that had the big announcement of a 20k* EV (*with 7500 in rebates from taxpayers) yet now it is already creeping up into over 30k for a 2 seater. By the time it comes to market probably closer to 33k or more. Per Kelley BB the actual price for an XL in 2022 was MRSP of 22,490, in 2025 29,840. Cheapest 2022 Tacoma was 34,590, 2025 35,285 so a small increase. But try to buy a base Tacoma. Ford admitted they miss on the cost to produce and had to adjust the price. Plus the low 2022 price built buzz better than any advertising. Come to think of it I have seen NO advertising for Maverick.
Well ford had undercut the Santa Cruz by $4,000 at introduction. Maverick was $19,995 ($21,490 with destination) at introduction. Priced increased every year at mid year, and 2025's have 2 increases since job1 trucks.

Ford doesn't need to advertise because of the initial low prices received so much press.
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