Is Maverick 200k miles reliable?

[zen_]

Yep I saw that same video about frontier!

One interesting thing is when I looked into a new engine for my Canyon, just out of curiosity if the engine went if replacement was an option rather than buy a new vehicle, I found a predictable problem, all the motors out there were both expensive and high mileage. IIRC they were 4-5k BEFORE several k more for install of course, but moreso these were motors with 100k+ miles on them. Since they stopped making that generation Canyon/Colorado/Hummer in 2012 I believe (at least for Canyon Colorado). It makes sense that almost all engines floating around for them are expensive and high mileage. When I looked at engines for a current model (at that time,. this was a few years ago) Ranger, they were both much cheaper 2500-3k, and readily available with low miles like 20-30k. At that point a replacement engine would make a lot more fiscal sense.

hopefully the maverick ends up like the latter situation.

One problem if it comes to an engine replacement though is that many reputable mechanics won't install used engines unless you're a trusted customer that assumes the risk (of it being a dud) since it is high risk with lot of labor.

It seems like both of the Maverick drivetains are mostly sound besides some rough spots like the poor gen 1 (hybrid only?) axles, but I agree with one of the early comments that I'll probably just asses at 100K miles if someone doesn't t-bone me before then, and also buy the 100K warranty extension from Granger as a safety blanket.

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[Snox801]

"Fun to drive factor"? Its a truck, not a racecar. It gets things done a lot better than what you seem to need.
First, the hybrid is actually the simpler and more reliable drivetrain. It has no turbo, no direct injection, no high-pressure fuel rail and pump, no alternator, no fanbelts, brakes that last at least 2x as long, and no transmission gears and clutches to wear out. The gas engine in many sizes and with several variants of intake manifold has been in heavy use by two manufacturers for 24 years now. Even the valve actuation is a simpler design that is a lot more durable than what you're used to. The electric motor is a redesign of the Toyota Prius drive motor that has been in production for 28 years. The transaxle design is similarly a Toyota design that is also 28 years old. There are lots of examples of this type of drivetrain from both Ford and Toyota going 1/2Million miles with just routine maintenance.

Second, The hybrid drivetrain is actually quicker than the EcoBoost up to 40mph, but it would be unlikely to beat an all-electric variant should Ford decide to build one.

Well we can just disagree. Trucks can be fun everything can be fun. Mine is tuned and I enjoy driving it the hybrid I did not like. As for hybrid being simpler. Well that just wrong. It has more stuff to go wrong I could make a list of all the parts n needed for the e drivetrain but I think we get it.
The complexity of a hybrid is just more.
if your happy cool. But let’s not act like the hybrid system is something it’s not.
We could say how long the evoboost variant has been around also dated back to Mazda. And how many have gone. 500k.
I could also list a mile long the amount of issues people have with hybrids and ecoboost.
I’ve never found a single hybrid to have made 500k without a battery swap. Just nature of the beast with battery tech.
Anyone who has driven both gets what I’m saying. you are simply trying to diminish what some people want. If you don’t think a maverick can be fun to drive you haven’t even tried looking on the forum for the guys adding sport mode for that reason.
you like your hybrid cool. Not for me and nothing you could say would get me to say I like it better. I drive them all and decide which one “I” like better. Not you me.

 

[Master Blaster]

Then why are there so many issues in the maverick hybrid forum?

That's easy. Its a forum, and just like Facebook, people like to whine about anything on it. However there is one hybrid-specific issue not yet fixed - the 12V battery sulphation. There are a lot of people seeing the side-effects from it, and I agree that Ford should be ashamed of the software quality issues. There is also a problem with the pre-25 Hyundai halfshafts that are on both the EcoBoost and hybrid models. Between those two issues, that's about 95% of the bitching.

It has no turbo but two motors and drivetrains, thats not a win. The rest is conjecture.

It has a second power source, but only one much simpler transmission and a simplified gas engine. Electric motors are probably close to 5x more reliable than gas engines, so they contribute almost nothing to a reliability score. Having no belts, no alternator and no transmission clutches is a huge win for reliability.

Hybrids are just by nature less reliable, even consumer reports said this. They said Hybrids scored good on reliability, but it was only because most of them are Prius, and Toyota are reliable versus other makes. Chicken and egg situation. The hybrid itself is innately less reliable than other Toyota vehicles.

Umm, no. And always remember that CR has an extreme bias towards Toyota for unclear reasons. Toyota today makes crap. Just ask a Tundra owner what has NOT been replaced under warranty for example. Or how about those Tacomas with a transmission that can't go into neutral and a rear axle that just falls out on the highway.

Two complete drivetrains and battery that 100% WILL need replacement at a cost of thousands (google says 2000-8000, I'm guessing it's more). And none of you posting are gonna be there when that happens to foot the bill lol. If you would like to sign a contract to pay that battery replacement cost should it not last 20 years, fine I will buy a hybrid. My Canyon non-hybrid is 17 years strong no major costs.

I don't know what horror stories you've been reading, but they seem to be ancient myths. Maybe you have had to replace the engine on your older GM product multiple times in its life, but you don't need to replace engines in a Ford or any other make that I can think of. My 87 Ranger for example, went 744k on the original engine and transmission. The hybrid drivetrain and running gear is stressed a lot less than other designs, which is why it is projected to last a lot longer. The hybrid-specific components have an 8y warranty on them, and I would expect them to go an awful lot more than that. Plus, they are the simplest parts that are most unlikely to fail.
Your Canyon gets a really bad 22mpg for what it is, and its not even that reliable. An F150 gets better. My hybrid routinely gets much better than the EPA numbers at 50mpg, so even if I possibly needed a $1700 drive battery every (say) 12 years, that's pretty easy to swallow. Getting 200k out of a set of brakepads is also nice.

 

[CurtisB]

400 a week? Did drive Big Foot before you switched to a Prius or is that an extra 0 typo?

At that time, my work required a lot of driving. I drive for a living. Gas was over $5 a gallon. This converted me to hybrids. Like I said, some people like hybrids..........I'm one of them.

 

[Master Blaster]

Maybe its time to ask what vehicle built today will NOT go 200k miles? Every vehicle that I've even looked at in the last 20 years would go 200k with only minor repairs. The last vehicles that I had fail on me before 200K were both Chryslers with engine design issues. With the improvements in rust prevention, better lubricants and in fuel delivery systems today, even the crummiest vehicle will go 200k easily.

 

[zen_]

Maybe its time to ask what vehicle built today will NOT go 200k miles? Every vehicle that I've even looked at in the last 20 years would go 200k with only minor repairs. The last vehicles that I had fail on me before 200K were both Chryslers with engine design issues. With the improvements in rust prevention, better lubricants and in fuel delivery systems today, even the crummiest vehicle will go 200k easily.

200K is definitely a stretch for most German vehicles unless you are hyper-vigilant about maintenance, and constantly doing the small repairs before the vehicle is mechanically totaled when the value dips under $8-10K or so. Stellantis / FCA and Hyundai / Kia have a whole bunch of absolutely trash powertrains and build quality problems too.

Past that, ever manufacturer has some specific problem models, even Toyota now. A lot of them come back to didn't change the oil, didn't check the oil level, didn't service the transmission fluid that made it to the warranty end then magically failed, though.

 

[Jalopy Technology]

My main concerns are the with the rubber oil pump belt that is inside the oil pan. Others use the same deal. IF I keep this Maverick long term I will replace that belt at 80k or so... Provided I'm still alive!

 

[jcs]

My main concerns are the with the rubber oil pump belt that is inside the oil pan. Others use the same deal. IF I keep this Maverick long term I will replace that belt at 80k or so... Provided I'm still alive!

One more reason to go with the Hybrid. I didn't know that Ford used wet belts on their EB engines. That's the worst case scenario. Make a replaceable item hard to replace.

 

[Master Blaster]

My main concerns are the with the rubber oil pump belt that is inside the oil pan. Others use the same deal. IF I keep this Maverick long term I will replace that belt at 80k or so... Provided I'm still alive!

The 2.0L does not use an oilpump belt. It is crankshaft-driven. The 1.0L and 1.3L sold in Europe a decade ago used that type of drive, which was recalled.

 

[am_fm_radio]

Will it make 200K miles? I'll tell you in 193.5K miles....

Now last 30-40 years.. my most reliable cars-- as the business I was in I'd do 30-40K miles per year. (Senior Field engineer for a Global Computer Company)
Chevy (GEO)Trackers I've owned 3.. drove them to about 120K miles. My company required we have 2 year old or less automobiles so we didn't go to customers with some POS with a blue door. The Chevy Trackers could fit in Boston Parking garages.. 6'6" ceilings, and 4x4 as I covered all of New England - snow -blizzards were no excuse not to be at customers sites.. One Tracker never went to the dealer for warranty work. Zip nothing. Another -only warrnaty was bolts fell out drivers door upper hinge.. Dealers hated selling them --no markup and built in the "great white" North, by french lumber jacks. (Canada)
I was Reassigned to Kansas 2007- covered all surrounding states as well.
I did buy a Hyundai hybrid Sonata.. looking for 40mpg that never happened. What crap.. traded it at 80K miles for a 2013 Mercedes C Class with turbo. I could get 31-33mpg and burn 30% ethanol. Retired, covid, then 6 months ago sold the Mercedes with 152K miles on it. Only time back at dealer besides recalls was the entertainment center pooped. I used my Mercedes cash to fund the Maverick. Sold it to a nephew $8K. Ford wanted to give me $3200. I told them it was an insult a pawn shop would give me more. On used car lots they were $12-15K
I also have a GMC 2500HD Duramax. I bought new in 2001. it has 235K miles. I am keeping it because it is 4x4 and I live on a cattle ranch and have to use it to pull stock trailers and a dump trailer. It can haul a back hoe with it. It's a keeper.. retired as a Farm Truck. Repainted last year.. Looks new.
So the Maverick, now that I'm retired.. fits the bill as hauling a 50 pound bag of dog food or potting soil in a Mercedes was gosh.
Maverick is a Hybrid, Last trip across Metro Wichita, Kansas - Largest city in Kansas I got 44.7 mpg... Driving it home from Detroit where I bought it I got 35mpg... But driving back from Trumps inauguration in bitter cold. only 29mpg.. It now has 6501 miles.

2-3 days ago I bought a 100,000 mile extended FORD ESP warranty, expires 9/20/2031. $100 deductible with free rental and light coverage. I bought that on line from Granger Ford in Iowa.. As I've very pleased with the truck..

EXCEPT - I was led to believe, and verified on the window sticker, and offers to activate from AT&T the maverick has WiFi connection for up to 10 devices.. Ford has bee unresponsive to making me whole. I have complained (False Advertising) to the
Federal Consumer's affairs Bureau But I think no one is at their desk... I wish I could find the part number of the Wi-Fi module and force the dealer to order one as vehicles that do have it, they would have to warranty those.. Ford just stopped putting them in -claimed could not get chips..as the deqaler showed me it ws deleted from my build. But like I said, it's there on th ewindow sticker. yet every day, AT&T, Verizon -T-mobile sells hot spots..Apparently they have chips.

FINAL CONCLUSION - even though I paid more for the hybrid,
I got everything I wanted (minus Wi-Fi) and 100,000 mile FORD ESP. A number of after market add ons -tonneau cover, spray in bedliner, mag wheels, even Sales Tax and license, registration, plates and "docking fee" (dealer rip off- it may have been waved as I bought Immediate employee family and friends) I did not, have not, cracked $30K total expendature for everything. I understand FORD is releasing those 2024 they stopped selling because of the recall hold. and about the only difference to a 2025, is green paint and hybrid 4x4, which you said you don't want hybrid..

 

[shark978]

FINAL CONCLUSION - even though I paid more for the hybrid,
I got everything I wanted (minus Wi-Fi) and 100,000 mile FORD ESP. A number of after market add ons -tonneau cover, spray in bedliner, mag wheels, even Sales Tax and license, registration, plates and "docking fee" (dealer rip off- it may have been waved as I bought Immediate employee family and friends) I did not, have not, cracked $30K total expendature for everything. I understand FORD is releasing those 2024 they stopped selling because of the recall hold. and about the only difference to a 2025, is green paint and hybrid 4x4, which you said you don't want hybrid..

i thought the 25 is when they started the "fixed" cv axle? (just from reading a few posts here is the only way i know about the problem and supposed fix in the 25). i understand it may not be a huge problem but still...

 

[Hoagus]

I quit reading when you said Mexico build.

Ha! That plant won Ford’s best quality award in the Maverick’s first year, so I’m glad mine was built there.

 

[Jalopy Technology]

The 2.0L does not use an oilpump belt. It is crankshaft-driven. The 1.0L and 1.3L sold in Europe a decade ago used that type of drive, which was recalled.

Well you are correct about the Maverick having a chain driven oil pump but other earlier 2.0 engines DID use a rubber belt.

That is good news for reliability. But other issues with modern engines worry me.

Many manufacturers use a Nikasil spray, or another similar technology, to create a hard surface on the cylinders of alloy engine blocks. Those coatings work well in motorcycles and small engines but the engines can't be rebuilt. Sleeves won't work for various reasons if the cyl. surface is damaged. A new block is needed in that case. And few will ever see a new block because of costs...off to the scrap yards.

If you visit any salvage yard today you will likely see dozens of good looking cars being parted out simply because they are too damn expensive to repair.

YouTube has thousands of channels available that deal with this issue. Yes, even the unbreakable Toyota engines DO indeed fail.

If you need to you can visit guys like Uncle Tony's Garage, South Main Auto Channel, the Wizard and others. Dave's Auto is another.

One of the best for Fords is Fordtechmakeyouloco. This guy is a FoMoCo specialist and very informative.

I've been trying to get out to my shop to do that oil change on my Maverick but my ass has been dragging...an old man can only work so many hours. I kinda fell out of a big truck last week and tweaked one fake knee. Felt ok then yesterday it took a a painful turn. Better this morning so I'll see what I can finally get done.

 

[Suzukiridr14]

Ah, the elusive hunt for that 200k+ miles "forever" car/truck. Best auto brand/model? How long is a piece of string?

Did a purely statistical look at what's available for sale out there in USA autoland with 200k+ miles on it. Everyone has their favorite new/used car buying website, mine is Autotrader.

Looked in a 400 mile radius from my location (70433 zip, so generally the mild/temperate climate south) for used vehicles with over 200k miles. Around 1900 of them (the total literally changes as I was looking).

Over 80% of vehicles listed from 6 brands - Chevy, Ford, GMC, Honda, Nissan, Ram, Toyota.

Ford - around 509 vehicles - over 70% were F-series (F150/250/350/450/550).

Chevy - around 309 - over 75% were trucks or Suburban or Tahoe.

Toyota - around 310 - a real mixed bag, although Tacoma/Tundra/4Runner amount to over 50%.

Of the ~1900 total, only 21 are hybrids (just over 1%). Rest are gassers and diesel.

Of the ~1900 total, 4wd/AWD are around 38%, RWD around 37%, and FWD around 25%.

Of the ~1900 total, around 16% are 4 cylinder, 35% 6 cylinder, 48% 8 cylinder (remainder 3, 5, and 10 cylinders).

Of the ~1900 total, manual trans are just over 2%, remainder some form of automatic trans.

So you can draw your own conclusions. In general, a truck-like RWD or 4WD/AWD model with 6 or 8 cylinders seem to be what has lasted for 200k+ miles around my neck of the woods. YMMV.

This was a great response from you that I'm sure took a while to to tabulate. I for one, enjoyed reading it. (I'm a car guy)

 

[Seand1109]

my truck is 17 years old, i will have to replace hybrid battery 2-3 times in that span, at costs of thousands. when i replace my canyon battery it's 100 dollars at wal mart.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/ev-battery-lifespan-degradation-replacement-cost-study/

You are talking about a small 12 volt verses a drive train battery. That is an apples and oranges. Neighbor had a first gen Prius and changed the battery at 130K, we use to replace engines with that kind of milage. The next battery pack is better made and that car is pushing 280K and no battery issue. I have a friend with a 2014 Tesla Model S with 230K and only 10% battery degradation. Sure the cost now for a replacement isn't cheap but the price is dropping and the batteries are getting better. I see the Solid State batteries with 600-800 range the game changer. I also think we will see those batteries changes get faster and cheaper over time.

So I asked my friend with the Tesla what he will do when the battery gets to the point it needs replacement. He pointed out the cost of the battery swap is about the same as an engine swap on a hight end luxury vehicle like the BMW comparative. The current cost for the Focus Battery, not the installation, is $1100-1800. With our Tesla we save around $2600 per year on gas compared to the Subaru she use to drive. I went from 12 MPG to well into the 40MPG (It is still breaking in and I am using neighbors 2023 milage). I don't drive as much but it will cut my fuel bill be at least 60%.

So your thought about the battery isn't exactly correct. I use to think the same way. I learned and we bought a Y model. Personally I think a hybrid is a better model at the moment. I do wish for a Maverick PHEV or even better, a vehicle with a primary electrical drive and a smaller, possible diesel motor, to charge the battery while driving. Locomotives use this version and it is very efficient.

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