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I think it is a general unease with electric vehicles as they cannot be compared across the board with ICE vehicles. An ICE, you can start the engine, listen to it run, check the transmission, etc, all common checks. Electrics on the other hand present an enigma. How do you check the condition of the battery? How do you know if it is going to fail. I realize the amount of charge it will hold is an indicator of condition, but failures still occur. No warranty and a high replacement cost compared to vehicle value in general seem to raise questions about residual value and resale value.
Add in there would be no 'incentives' in used vehicles, and they seem to lose even more attraction. Perhaps the Toyota Prius market should be looked at to gain some idea of consumer demand for used BEVs. There may soon be a new industry, repairing or refurbishing battery packs. Some are doing it already.
I have no desire for any electric at this point, and think the hoopla is somewhat premature. I guess you have to start somewhere.
I think overall the hybrid models are more attractive and were I doing the choosing, they would be pushed more than the totally electric BEVs. I think electric trucks are a joke as far as actual truck usefulness, but I am not deciding how the development money is being spent. So far, they disappoint, especially in towing.
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Yes it looks like the tide is going out but Tesla has gotten caught by a riptide. Of Autoweeks ten worst Mach-E didn't even make the top ten while Tesla has 3 of the top 4.
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well, if the UAW strikes, within a day, they would NOT be producing HYBRIDS as my old lady works at the hybrid ecvt plant and they are hand to mouth with Hermosillo...
Not gonna jump on ony one of you for the opinions you offered, but man am I seeing a LOT of Kool Aid drinkers here.
What is greedy about demanding fair wages and good benefits for the union members?
Nothing - Doing that provides better lives for everyone around, since higher wages get spent in the surrounding areas.
You know what is greedy? Moving a production line to another country so that you don't have to pay those same benefits, don't have to follow those OSHA rules, don't have to protect the environment surrounding your plant, don't have to check the age of your employees because who cares if they can read, as long as they can turn a wrench, or weld a joint.
What is greedy about demanding fair wages and good benefits for the union members?
Nothing - Doing that provides better lives for everyone around, since higher wages get spent in the surrounding areas.
You know what is greedy? Moving a production line to another country so that you don't have to pay those same benefits, don't have to follow those OSHA rules, don't have to protect the environment surrounding your plant, don't have to check the age of your employees because who cares if they can read, as long as they can turn a wrench, or weld a joint.
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A community north of where I live is trying to attract companies to open up shop there, but cannot because they have a skilled worker shortage. They are having problems attracting skilled workers of any kind (teachers, medical personnel, trades) because of affordable housing shortage. They cannot increase their housing inventory because for years single family residential permits were prioritized over multi-family housing.
It's an almost perfect example of the scenario you describe. Local hiring only works if the unemployment rate is sufficiently high.
BTW: It's not that folks don't want to work. My son applied to dozens of jobs he was qualified for. For some odd reason he was hardly ever contacted about his application. No arrests or convictions, no drug problems, appropriately educated, no medical restrictions. Yet those companies that whined about "nobody wants to work anymore" never even invited him for an interview.
Having worked in IT a long time ago I wateched as 'coding jobs' became tourists in foreign countries with lower wage rates. The 'genius' who figured they would save a pile o' dough were in general proven to be wrong. They were unable to communicate over the distance and time zone gap leading to a lot of wasted effort.
The same thing has proven true to some degree in other fields as products have difficulty getting 'fixes' in place, and engineering changes take a lot of effort to implement successfully.
Moving jobs overseas had proven not as successful as the genius thought.
It is the nature of capitalism to seek increased productivity and reduced costs. There should be some essence of community within a corporation or business to have respect for workers and to curtail absolute maximum profit at the expense of the community. To that extent, it can become greed where people are considered expendable and there is no loyalty. I fear/think that is where most corporations are heading. The executives are isolated from their workers, and only consider what an accountant(bean counter) reports, not whether it will cause shutdown of plants and loss of jobs for miniscule profit.
In short, it seems to be healthy, there should be consideration o the humans in addition to the dollars. Some companies do that, and are, IMO, more successful than some others because they have LOYALTY. AND reflect it in kind to their employees, management and non.
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Now you’re sounding reasonable, but possibly less profitable. That WILL NOT get you far in this present-day climate.
i'll preface this by saying i've worked at the hermosillo assembly plant......it's definitely different working at a foreign plant vs one here in the states.....some of your information is incorrect.....regarding OSHA, safety rules are followed just as they are in the US....no one is underage (child labor)...the employees i encountered are intelligent and care about what they're doing......one thing different is employees get free meals and a majority are provided transportation to the plant and back......if i hadn't known i was in Mexico, HAP is very similar to a US plant....
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Say's the guy who has a made in Korea Kia Niro in his signature,,,,,
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Thanks for that info! I was not speaking of any particular plant, not even of Ford in general. I was making a general statement about some of the reasons why companies move production overseas. Obviously didn't make that very clear, though, so that's on me. I've liked the Ford vehicles I've driven (owned a 93 Escort, a 98 Taurus, several versions of Focus over the years, and driven multiple Ford models owned by employers), so I'm not here to bash any particular company for sure.
I definitely didn't mean to imply that people in other countries aren't intelligent or good workers.
After having spend quality time in foreign countries (where illiterate insurgents managed to not only build, but also teach how to build, road side bombs), I am fully aware that there's a distinct difference between being uneducated and being unintelligent.
Yes, imagine that. A KOREAN manufacturer building their cars in KOREA.
I don't know about you, but I have no problem buying a quality foreign-made product (while a comparable US-made option was not available) AND supporting unions in the US.
No, Tesla was not an option for me (nor will it ever be). I purchased my car used, and am very happy with its efficiency, quality, and the overall usefulness of it.
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