Transparency?

[Nightowl]

If Oscar Mayer doesn't have to be transparent with what's in hot dogs why should Ford be expected to be any better?

*spits out hotdog*
Wait, wha?

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[MattIngram]

Where is this information from? I have seen others say it, but have not seen where Ford themselves said it.

Good question. Apparently the news broke on this forum:

https://autos.yahoo.com/ford-maverick-hybrids-reportedly-not-135400150.html

Also the CEO Jim Farley has been pretty adamant about shifting away from loading up dealer lots and then having to give up a bunch of margin to move that inventory.

https://fordauthority.com/2021/07/f...s-build-to-order-paradigm-is-companys-future/

https://www.thedrive.com/news/41796/ford-would-rather-build-to-order-than-pack-dealer-lots

 

[Newtotrucksvt]

That's a fair question. All the articles posted below elude to the same source: a dealership, (Granger Ford in Iowa) stating right here on mavericktruckclub.com on July 31st that "currently 100% of hybrid engines will go to fulfill customer orders." As clavicus mentions, a Ford exec responded to questions regarding the post by Granger Ford with this:

“The demand for the standard hybrid powertrain is very strong. As we ramp up production, we are doing everything we can to make sure we allocate vehicles to customers who placed retail orders but plan to have stock inventory to view at local Ford dealerships, as well.”

https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/f...on-limit-dealer-allocations-constraints.1045/

There's no good reason to read the redundant articles listed below. I was first just trying to find where I got the information myself, then thought I'd keep digging to see if I could find an update.

Aug 2.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/41794...averick-wont-be-stocked-at-dealerships-report
The Cheap Hybrid Ford Maverick Won't Be Stocked at Dealerships (Update: For Now)
(The author uses the word "cheapo" to describe our beloved hybrid. For shame!)

Aug 2.
https://jalopnik.com/ford-wont-stock-hybrid-maverick-at-dealer-lots-accordi-1847408087
Ford Won't Stock Hybrid Maverick At Dealer Lots, According To A Dealer
If you want the cheaper, 40 MPG Maverick, you're going to have to special order it.

Aug. 3
https://www.autoblog.com/2021/08/03/ford-maverick-hybrid-order-only/
Ford Maverick hybrids will reportedly not be stocked at launch
Only sold orders will appear at dealerships initially

Aug. 3
https://www.motor1.com/news/524332/ford-maverick-hybrid-dealer-stock/
Ford Maverick Hybrid Won't Be Stockpiled On Dealer Lots
Ford plans to prioritize fulfilling orders and producing its EcoBoost engine.

Aug. 3
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/ford-maverick-hybrid-pickup-truck-dealers/
Ford Maverick Hybrid could be tough to come by at dealers
According to a dealership source, Ford plans to allocate every last hybrid pickup truck to customer orders -- not to dealer stock.

Aug. 4
https://carbuzz.com/news/ford-maverick-hybrid-could-be-hard-to-find
Hybrid Ford Mavericks Could Be Hard To Find

Aug. 4
https://www.carscoops.com/2021/08/ford-wont-sell-hybrid-mavericks-from-dealer-lots/
Ford Won’t Sell Hybrid Mavericks From Dealer Lots

Impressive research!!! Thank you!!!

 

[BMCGC]

Currently the Lincoln Corsair, Maverick and Escape use the 2.5 hybrid.

Are those the only three?

Looking through dealer inventory, I do not see any 22 Hybrid Fords or Lincolns for sale in the U.S.

 

[JBnorthTX]

The Dealers know all of this information. They also know if they have orders for 100 trucks before yours but are only getting 25 allocations a month. In that case some of there orders are going to wait months before they will even be considered.

I asked these questions and got the answers from the 2 dealers I was considering. I chose to go with the small town Dealer even though their price was slightly more because they had avaiable allocation with out a backlog of unscheduled orders. The cheaper bigger dealer told me that it would probably be 4-5 months before my order got placed due to the backlog they had.

I suspect dealers are not being transparent about this. It doesn't make them look good if customers know they're waiting longer because the dealer's allocations are limited.

 

[Enderet]

Good question. Apparently the news broke on this forum:

https://autos.yahoo.com/ford-maverick-hybrids-reportedly-not-135400150.html

Also the CEO Jim Farley has been pretty adamant about shifting away from loading up dealer lots and then having to give up a bunch of margin to move that inventory.

https://fordauthority.com/2021/07/f...s-build-to-order-paradigm-is-companys-future/

https://www.thedrive.com/news/41796/ford-would-rather-build-to-order-than-pack-dealer-lots

Thanks for the in deoth answer.

 

[Enderet]

That's a fair question. All the articles posted below elude to the same source: a dealership, (Granger Ford in Iowa) stating right here on mavericktruckclub.com on July 31st that "currently 100% of hybrid engines will go to fulfill customer orders." As clavicus mentions, a Ford exec responded to questions regarding the post by Granger Ford with this:

“The demand for the standard hybrid powertrain is very strong. As we ramp up production, we are doing everything we can to make sure we allocate vehicles to customers who placed retail orders but plan to have stock inventory to view at local Ford dealerships, as well.”

https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/f...on-limit-dealer-allocations-constraints.1045/

There's no good reason to read the redundant articles listed below. I was first just trying to find where I got the information myself, then thought I'd keep digging to see if I could find an update.

Aug 2.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/41794...averick-wont-be-stocked-at-dealerships-report
The Cheap Hybrid Ford Maverick Won't Be Stocked at Dealerships (Update: For Now)
(The author uses the word "cheapo" to describe our beloved hybrid. For shame!)

Aug 2.
https://jalopnik.com/ford-wont-stock-hybrid-maverick-at-dealer-lots-accordi-1847408087
Ford Won't Stock Hybrid Maverick At Dealer Lots, According To A Dealer
If you want the cheaper, 40 MPG Maverick, you're going to have to special order it.

Aug. 3
https://www.autoblog.com/2021/08/03/ford-maverick-hybrid-order-only/
Ford Maverick hybrids will reportedly not be stocked at launch
Only sold orders will appear at dealerships initially

Aug. 3
https://www.motor1.com/news/524332/ford-maverick-hybrid-dealer-stock/
Ford Maverick Hybrid Won't Be Stockpiled On Dealer Lots
Ford plans to prioritize fulfilling orders and producing its EcoBoost engine.

Aug. 3
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/ford-maverick-hybrid-pickup-truck-dealers/
Ford Maverick Hybrid could be tough to come by at dealers
According to a dealership source, Ford plans to allocate every last hybrid pickup truck to customer orders -- not to dealer stock.

Aug. 4
https://carbuzz.com/news/ford-maverick-hybrid-could-be-hard-to-find
Hybrid Ford Mavericks Could Be Hard To Find

Aug. 4
https://www.carscoops.com/2021/08/ford-wont-sell-hybrid-mavericks-from-dealer-lots/
Ford Won’t Sell Hybrid Mavericks From Dealer Lots

Thanks for the info. That is definitely what I was looking for.

 

[Dangro]

I suspect dealers are not being transparent about this. It doesn't make them look good if customers know they're waiting longer because the dealer's allocations are limited.

I agree that that are not being transparent. They have the information they know their backlog. Instead of telling the customer they can just push the ball up the court and say sorry Fords not building it and there's nothing I can do about it. I asked and was told what I believe to be accurate numbers by both dealers. But your average consumer would not even know to ask.

 

[Decayed]

I agree that that are not being transparent. They have the information they know their backlog. Instead of telling the customer they can just push the ball up the court and say sorry Fords not building it and there's nothing I can do about it. I asked and was told what I believe to be accurate numbers by both dealers. But your average consumer would not even know to ask.

Transparency won't make a bit of difference as to how fast they deliver. The thing to remember is that Ford is dealing with dozens if not hundreds of subcontractors down the supply chain. If they could build faster, they would. After all, selling cars is how they make money.

It's doubtful Ford sees a benefit of spending time and money making public the most accurate picture as to build times. All that effort would be wasted if just one of those suppliers suddenly can't fulfil their obligations. The result is people get more disappointed when they have to push build dates back time and again.

Far simpler to say "months to build" and leave it at that. Right now is a very challenging time for any manufacturer. In terms of consumer psychology, the best thing they could possibly do is "promise less and deliver more". At the very least they won't be lying if they deliver less.

 

[JBnorthTX]

Transparency won't make a bit of difference as to how fast they deliver. The thing to remember is that Ford is dealing with dozens if not hundreds of subcontractors down the supply chain. If they could build faster, they would. After all, selling cars is how they make money.

It's doubtful Ford sees a benefit of spending time and money making public the most accurate picture as to build times. All that effort would be wasted if just one of those suppliers suddenly can't fulfil their obligations. The result is people get more disappointed when they have to push build dates back time and again.

Far simpler to say "months to build" and leave it at that. Right now is a very challenging time for any manufacturer. In terms of consumer psychology, the best thing they could possibly do is "promise less and deliver more". At the very least they won't be lying if they deliver less.

The post you responded to is about dealers not being transparent about their allocations vs. orders. It certainly can make a difference if the customer can switch to a different dealer with plenty of allocations to cover orders.

 

[Old Ranchero]

If I didn’t fall in love with the cactus gray hybrid maverick I would have bought a RAV4 or CX5

Ford has the worst launches they could possibly have that sell out for years….wait what did I just say? Frustrating or not, Ford is playing the game and winning the shit out of it. Will get them sooner or later

for a little perspective: how long did it take for Hyundai to launch the Santa Snuz after it appeared at an auto show and they committed to build it? Didn't they miss an advertised availability date from back in 2020? How many delays were there launching ANY Tesla model, and they pioneered the new direct order system? What about Cybertruck- will it EVER launch or actually get built even? How many advance ordered for Teslas?

How about mid-engined C-8 Corvette launch? How many confirmed orders were there for that 1? IIRC they sold out the complete 1st year allotment before delivering a single customer unit.

Anybody seen a Rivian or Nikola truck in the wild yet?

Point being, Ford is not unique in delays from announcing production of a vehicle and delivering it to customers.

 

[Old Ranchero]

I suspect dealers are not being transparent about this. It doesn't make them look good if customers know they're waiting longer because the dealer's allocations are limited.

I asked my dealer directly about how important "allocation" is to placing an order and actually receiving the vehicle. I was told their process hasn't changed and they simply submit an order any time and the vehicle gets built at some point and then delivered to customer. Parts shortages and delivery workforce issues are bigger causes of delays nowadays. Mind you, it's a small town dealer and last I checked they received 1 Maverick (I test drove that 1 when it came in) and have 2 more orders in the system, but I'm not worried about getting my order in on my own schedule and not concerned how many months it takes to arrive.

 

[BlueSnake77]

I actually considered that, but the mpg is nowhere comparable! Still... You make a good point. Thanks.

I liked the fact that Hyundai offered the non-turbo 2.5L on the Santa Cruz, but Car and Driver tested the Tuscon (which is basically the same vehicle sans the trunk) which has the same motor/drivetrain and the 0-60 mph was 8.8 secs. Not much better than my 168 hp 6 speed auto Ford Escape (About 9.3 secs). And WORSE fuel economy than my Escape to boot! Don't understand that. Same size engine with more efficiency (DI vs. PI & an 8 speed vs. a 6 speed). Don't understand the lousy gas mileage of the Santa Cruz.

 

[Rob Cactus Gray]

for a little perspective: how long did it take for Hyundai to launch the Santa Snuz after it appeared at an auto show and they committed to build it? Didn't they miss an advertised availability date from back in 2020? How many delays were there launching ANY Tesla model, and they pioneered the new direct order system? What about Cybertruck- will it EVER launch or actually get built even? How many advance ordered for Teslas?

How about mid-engined C-8 Corvette launch? How many confirmed orders were there for that 1? IIRC they sold out the complete 1st year allotment before delivering a single customer unit.

Point being, Ford’s is not unique in delays from announcing production of a vehicle and delivering it to customers.

Ford hasn’t delayed the Hybrid, according to them. And from my understanding the 22 hybrid is sold out before delivering 1 unit. The launches are horrid, maybe not the worst but horrid. Not from a delay stand point but from a system. Their databases/ordering system is antiquated, employees aren’t trained, and processes lack any resemblance of consistency. This all leads to horrible product launches. Ford is doing the worst job THEY can do launching their products.

I’m not giving a trophy to a fuck up because they’re all a bunch of fuck ups.

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