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Because your question much like your point and answer to it are misleading. You try to use a technical name, like oh this is a Marroney sticker, blah, blah, blah so on and so forth missing the main point. Advertised pricing being substantially different between Ford and their dealership...

Again you’re trying to pedal this idea that MSRP isn’t an advertised price. If you could just figure out that it is, then you will see that all of your posts are off-topic and completely irrelevant to the letter that was part of my discussion. And if it’s not an advertised price why bother...

Actually it’s not because I already provided three instances where advertised prices were in dispute, two of which involved manufacturers (MSRP vs Destination), you’ve just ignored them. Obviously, you’re trying to argue a technicality because you already know that MSRP is the advertised price...

That kind of thinking is what got Stellantis and GM in trouble for inflating the overall price on a vehicle by burying profit in the destination fees. That sort of confirms my original argument if something as established like a destination fee is in dispute, then yeah market adjustments are...

Actually destination fees are on the MSRP label, have you not seen one? And the Massachusetts AG advisory speaks to market adjustments but you didn’t read it did you? Obviously you don’t want to learn but try to prove a tired and belabored point that there’s nothing you can do. Obviously...

Some of it is still new and emerging but Ford shot themselves in the foot with that email. They use indemnification to insulate the manufacturer from the dealership and now that wall just fell down but not an attorney. It will take States Attorneys months to weed through the complaints, assign...

Obviously I don’t agree with all of that. After a few more cases and attorney generals get involved, we will see how that plays out. Fun fact on the F150 forum Ford asked them to remove the letter. Where’s there smoke, there’s fire. Although I’m not sure this is a winnable scenario for Ford...

No not mixing ideas at all, they are one in the same. Ford touted the under $20k price in their marketing materials, configurator on their website, social media, on the buyer order preview. Just look at all of the stories and reviews out about the Maverick’s MSRP. Market adjustments are brand...

That’s what happened with the Bronco sport. My wife decided she loved it in late 2020, when I took her to the dealership to read her temperature and interest, planing for a 2021 purchase. Dealership said flat out we have to make $5k on every one we sell, either on trade, price, adding...

And that lawyer will likely tell you ignorance of what you signed is not a reason to invalidate but again I’m not a lawyer and you certainly aren’t. But you may have a case for lacking mental capacity, so go with that, lol.

Re-read my last post until it makes sense, or don’t and sign but not read any piece of paper they put in front of you at the dealership. You have the choice!

I just get a kick out of these freedom of choice folks trying to shout down anyone that refers to potential breaches of laws and statutes. I wore a uniform for 6 years, lost two high school sweethearts but served during peacetime, so they have those rights. Really freedom of choice to break...

And the courts will use any contract that you signed to submit that order and/or take delivery of said vehicle but I’m not an attorney. It is not unconscionable to insert terms and conditions on the sale of a product, no matter how you pay for it. Apple does it all the time.

The key is choice. If I choose to break the law, then law enforcement can choose to lock me up. It’s choice. There’s no disclosure that can walk back the market adjustments, including an ADM line. I’m not an attorney but those are most likely going to the courts in the next few years, which...

Not sure that I’m following. Should we stop locking up drug dealers for breaking narcotics laws? The question is Ford and dealerships breaking state and federal laws by advertising the price (MSRP) knowing they have no intention of selling the vehicle, at that price? One state attorney...

Just to tie this together with all of my other posts, or rants, whatever floats your boat. I’m not an attorney. I believe that false and deceptive trade practices are probably prohibited by state and federal statutes. A dealership that takes the advertised price (MSRP) on any vehicle...

Great information and post. Here’s the sections before/after for context and the termination provisions. I’ve bolder certain areas of interest but again not a lawyer: 6. (h) CUSTOMER HANDLING. The Dealer shall cooperate with Company programs, and develop and maintain his own programs...

Nope that cannot be changed. Ford modified the xlt luxury package a month or so ago changing sprayin for the drop in. Sprayin may be available in the Lariat luxury. Fordvideoguy mentioned it on his videos and podcasts and on here as well. Link below. I’ve heard good things about Rhino...

Not a lawyer but I think the issue is did Ford present the purchaser with a valid, enforceable contract and did the purchaser sign it without coercion. Otherwise, courts and judges tend to uphold those and punish those who don’t honor their contracts. Ford also refers dealerships to their own...

Yep but there’s a huge problem with that letter. Ford acknowledged illegal acts by dealerships and calls out those acts by name. I’m not an attorney but that seems like a huge problem for Ford and may open them up to lawsuits. In other words, you’re doing it, we know you’re doing it, what...