Just got a warning from Ford Pass App about remote features being disabled

[Maverick2023]

to conserve battery life. Should I be concerned or delete/remove the truck from the app to prevent battery drain? Don't want another dead hybrid.

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[MostlySafeBear]

Was your hybrid built on or before May 13th, 2022? If so, there's a recall on a wiring harness you need to get done.

https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/f...vericks-built-on-or-before-may-13-2022.21114/

Instead of trying possible placebo things like deleting the truck from the app, actually do things that work, like measure the 12V battery, and if necessary, put a tender on the 12V battery, and have a jump pack ready.

Even if your truck is out of the recall dates, manually check/inspect the wiring harness integrity.

 

[Hardening2753]

Was your hybrid built on or before May 13th, 2022? If so, there's a recall on a wiring harness you need to get done.

https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/f...vericks-built-on-or-before-may-13-2022.21114/

Instead of trying possible placebo things like deleting the truck from the app, actually do things that work, like measure the 12V battery, and if necessary, put a tender on the 12V battery, and have a jump pack ready.

Even if your truck is out of the recall dates, manually check/inspect the wiring harness integrity.

Jump pack is always good to have

 

[Joe Mac]

Just start it and drive it around the block. My Shelby does that about once a month

 

[Mymaverick2021]

Was your hybrid built on or before May 13th, 2022? If so, there's a recall on a wiring harness you need to get done.

https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/f...vericks-built-on-or-before-may-13-2022.21114/

Instead of trying possible placebo things like deleting the truck from the app, actually do things that work, like measure the 12V battery, and if necessary, put a tender on the 12V battery, and have a jump pack ready.

Even if your truck is out of the recall dates, manually check/inspect the wiring harness integrity.

Not all Hybrids are effected by the Recall, there's 2 different harnesses that were installed in the truck

 

[TonyS]

Or you could just delete the app from your phone and reset the system in the car to get rid of the Ford Pass App. Ford collects a HUGE amount of data on your driving. Where you've been, where you are at, where you are going, how fast you are driving

That is a lot of personal data for some points and remote features by your cell phone.

 

[Renho17]

The app has nothing to do with your battery. Lol
Most people get this deep sleep mode remote features being turned off message. What I can gather most are just cause they are parking in a terrible reception area so the trucks modem keeps trying to connect and reconnect and when it can’t connect it will go into deep sleep and turn off everything so your battery doesn’t drain. It’s actually a good thing this happens.

 

[MostlySafeBear]

Or you could just delete the app from your phone and reset the system in the car to get rid of the Ford Pass App. Ford collects a HUGE amount of data on your driving. Where you've been, where you are at, where you are going, how fast you are driving

That is a lot of personal data for some points and remote features by your cell phone.

This is not a thread about rampant pointless paranoia.

First, Ford is up front about the data they collect, and they expose settings to disable most categories. They also label and expose a single fuse for you to shut the system down completely. That seems pretty pro-consumer to me, even before considering that they give away features - paid for by the data they collect - that many other manufacturers charge ongoing fees for, even after they collect the same data.

Second, every modern cellular phone, whether smartphone or not, must have e911 location capabilities to be active on any US network. They also have microphones. They have capabilities to do just as much snooping, it's just that we willingly give modern phones so much more data about us to work with.

 

[MostlySafeBear]

Not all Hybrids are effected by the Recall, there's 2 different harnesses that were installed in the truck

"Even if your truck is out of the recall dates, manually check/inspect the wiring harness integrity."

 

[TonyS]

This is not a thread about rampant pointless paranoia.

First, Ford is up front about the data they collect, and they expose settings to disable most categories. They also label and expose a single fuse for you to shut the system down completely. That seems pretty pro-consumer to me, even before considering that they give away features - paid for by the data they collect - that many other manufacturers charge ongoing fees for, even after they collect the same data.

Second, every modern cellular phone, whether smartphone or not, must have e911 location capabilities to be active on any US network. They also have microphones. They have capabilities to do just as much snooping, it's just that we willingly give modern phones so much more data about us to work with.

Our phones and e911 provide a lot more useful stuff to us than Ford does. e911 is only your current location - and might save your life. The exchange seems much fairer to me - IMHO.

It's also easy to delete the collection of data on your phone. And depending on which type of phone you use, the phone manufacturers can be very aggressive in fighting turning data over to authorities. Apple for instance -less than two years ago - refused to give up data from a users phone. A court fight loomed but eventually the FBI hired a hacker rather than fight it out.

Compare that to Ford, that makes it clear if your in accident and the police want the data they will get it.

if your happy with the exchange that's great. I am not - and it's not paranoia. It's common sense. For so much Personal data I want a higher price than what Ford offers in return.

 

[MostlySafeBear]

Our phones and e911 provide a lot more useful stuff to us than Ford does. e911 is only your current location - and might save your life. The exchange seems much fairer to me - IMHO.

You've missed the point. The point was that the capability of being mis-used exists in a device that most of us willingly carry everywhere we go, even if the originally intended scope was much more narrow, the technical capability exists.

It's also easy to delete the collection of data on your phone.

Same as it is in the truck. Four toggles on one screen, and it's all gone. They also gave you a labelled fuse to pull if that make you feel better.

And depending on which type of phone you use, the phone manufacturers can be very aggressive in fighting turning data over to authorities. Apple for instance -less than two years ago - refused to give up data from a users phone. A court fight loomed but eventually the FBI hired a hacker rather than fight it out.

Let's not forget that Apple did not make a stink about any data that had been uploaded to the user's cloud accounts, they were perfectly willing to hand that over with a court order. They were blanket unwilling to compromise the overall security of their devices by overriding their own security, no matter the requesting agency or what the customers were accused of doing.

There is a huge difference there.

Also note the "type of phone" used has much more variety on the Android side, with many companies making them. Much like Apple, they'll serve up any cloud data they have with a valid court order. To my knowledge, none have been asked by the FBI to unlock the phone of accused terrorists.

Compare that to Ford, that makes it clear if your in accident and the police want the data they will get it.

Unless you've disabled the collection/transmission of it through the provided toggles and/or fuse. Why ignore those?

if your happy with the exchange that's great. I am not - and it's not paranoia. It's common sense. For so much Personal data I want a higher price than what Ford offers in return.

Great, so pull the fuse that Ford took the time to provide (they could have just folded it into the PCM, which can't be disabled as easily without disabling the entire vehicle) and be done with it, no paranoia required.

 

[Maverick2023]

Mine was built in September so no it isn't affected by the recall.

 

[Darnon]

It's a Technical Service Bulletin item, there is no recall at this time.

 

[egress555]

Mine is a EcoBoost and I have having this issue as well. Noticed about a month ago, hey my auto start/stop hasn't worked in awhile, (several month's). Looked up this issue on the forum to see if there were others having this issue, and possible fixes. Today got this pop up on my Ford pass app. Just sent service manager an email with a couple questions.

 

[TonyS]

You've missed the point. The point was that the capability of being mis-used exists in a device that most of us willingly carry everywhere we go, even if the originally intended scope was much more narrow, the technical capability exists.



Same as it is in the truck. Four toggles on one screen, and it's all gone. They also gave you a labelled fuse to pull if that make you feel better.



Let's not forget that Apple did not make a stink about any data that had been uploaded to the user's cloud accounts, they were perfectly willing to hand that over with a court order. They were blanket unwilling to compromise the overall security of their devices by overriding their own security, no matter the requesting agency or what the customers were accused of doing.

There is a huge difference there.

Also note the "type of phone" used has much more variety on the Android side, with many companies making them. Much like Apple, they'll serve up any cloud data they have with a valid court order. To my knowledge, none have been asked by the FBI to unlock the phone of accused terrorists.



Unless you've disabled the collection/transmission of it through the provided toggles and/or fuse. Why ignore those?



Great, so pull the fuse that Ford took the time to provide (they could have just folded it into the PCM, which can't be disabled as easily without disabling the entire vehicle) and be done with it, no paranoia required.

I agree with ALL that you say. We don't disagree much at all.

what I'm not saying well apparently is that Ford disables all the remote features if you don't go along with the data collection. I find what Ford offers for what Ford gives to be of unequal value. Others may well feel differently and that's fine.

I offered an alternative to the battery drain concern. Just remove the app and reset the the car. What Ford gives might not - if you think about it - be worth it.

And this isn't an idle or paranoid concern. Consumer Reports did a feature story maybe 18 months ago about online security. Multiple steps to reduce the data collection that as you point out goes on around us all the time. They recommend against for instance the "safe driving apps" that insurance companies offer to monitor your driving for a premium discount.

It's not just what Ford or State Farm does with the information. They have the right to sell that information to third parties. Then the question becomes what does the third parties do with that information? What security do those third parties have to keep the information secure?

I have the Maverick Hybrid. As I recall remote starting and running the car for a period of time in the cold cam resulting in red hot catalytic converters. (my car is in an attached garage regardless) I can unlock the doors with fob from a few hundred feet away. What is the benefit of being able to unlock the car from a couple of thousand feet away?

Other than the points, I see no value and only risk with the Ford Pass fully enabled. Others legitimately see the math different for them. That's fine.

I only offered an alternative. Sure - remove it. Might not be worth it to the OP.

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