Is co pilot 360 worth it ?

[JBL14]

I own and drive quite a few 20 year old vehicles. They have manual transmissions, manual roll up windows, manual seats, manual door locks, a physical key is needed to open everything etc etc.....
No ABS, no Traction control.
The only safety feature is a couple air bags.
I have wanted to put a bumper sticker on them proudly exclaiming
" ZERO SAFETY FEATURES, I LOVE DRIVING and PAY ATTENTION"
Alas, age is creeping up on me and once in awhile it scares me,
"How did I not see this or that, what just happened!"
Age will humble all of us and now I welcome the extra little help of 360copilot.

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[mamboman777]

It is definitely your money and choice, but the argument of - essentially - "It hasn't happened yet, therefore it will not happen" is not a good one.

I never said "it hasn't happened yet, therefore it will not happen." You must have misunderstood what I was saying.

My argument is driver alertness/attention>electronic aids. And in my personal experience, no part of CP360 would have prevented or changed my accident. That is my personal experience. Take it for what you will, but you can't discount it; it's mine.

Also, like I said, I'm not here to try to convince you to not order it. It's your own money. If you want your car to beep at you so that you don't have to turn your head, go for it! If you are unable to keep your own lane without a nanny watching your every lane change, have at it!

However, you're not going to convince me that I need it, nor that I want it, either.

 

[MLowe05]

My argument is driver alertness/attention>electronic aids. And in my personal experience, no part of CP360 would have prevented or changed my accident. That is my personal experience. Take it for what you will, but you can't discount it; it's mine.

Also, like I said, I'm not here to try to convince you to not order it. It's your own money. If you want your car to beep at you so that you don't have to turn your head, go for it! If you are unable to keep your own lane without a nanny watching your every lane change, have at it!

No one was arguing that electronic safety nets were a replacement for driver attentiveness. At least, I didn't see that argument. Yet you seem convinced those in favor of CP360 are too lazy to check their mirrors or keep their vehicles in their lane. Thus, you miss the point entirely.

Why not go ahead and pull the fuses for ABS and SRS as well? A great driver will never need a computer to avoid wheel lock up, and since said great driver will never be in an accident, they should never need airbags.

I say this a lot. This thread is dumb.

 

[YOBY]

See, I take the view that the best safety is alert driving. I'm not relying on a machine to save me when I get into a bad situation, I just don't put myself in bad situations.

Nobody goes out the door planning on placing themselves in a bad situation, but if you or someone else places you in a bad situation, it's nice to know you have a backup other than a mortician.

 

[MLowe05]

Nobody goes out the door planning on placing themselves in a bad situation, but if you or someone else places you in a bad situation, it's nice to know you have a backup other than a mortician.

Don't try to confuse him with facts. Dude does not even wear a seatbelt, probably. After all, today's seatbelts with charged pretensioners are machines and he can't dare rely on that to save him in a bad situation. And bad situations are always planned in advance.

 

[mamboman777]

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/07/do-driver-aids-make-us-worse-drivers/

FWIW.

 

[YOBY]

Don't try to confuse him with facts. Dude does not even wear a seatbelt, probably. After all, today's seatbelts with charged pretensioners are machines and he can't dare rely on that to save him in a bad situation. And bad situations are always planned in advance.

That's another good point, why did we need the third brake light that people are worried about covering up with bed covers and backup cameras that give a full view behind your vehicle or seat belts that inhibit movement in the seat.

If you want to really increase human alertness, ban cell phones from all vehicles (if you use one in the vehicle, you are not totally alert) and get rid on brake lights. If you want the optional safety items. buy them, if they come standard and you are a super alert person and you don't like them, tape over the sensors on the mirrors, grille and back of vehicle. No laws broken. Best of Luck.

This reminds me of a "Knock on Wood Thread" for those that know what I'm Talking about.

 

[mamboman777]

No one was arguing that electronic safety nets were a replacement for driver attentiveness. At least, I didn't see that argument. Yet you seem convinced those in favor of CP360 are too lazy to check their mirrors or keep their vehicles in their lane. Thus, you miss the point entirely.

Why not go ahead and pull the fuses for ABS and SRS as well? A great driver will never need a computer to avoid wheel lock up, and since said great driver will never be in an accident, they should never need airbags.

I say this a lot. This thread is dumb.

No, what's dumb is the argument that "it's better than being dead" or that I can't possibly be a safe driver without this.

Why would you want your car to beep at you when you always check your blind spot? Why do you need lane centering if you hold your lane?

I'm sorry, but if you can't reliably check your blind spot or hold your lane, maybe you shouldn't be driving.

If you WANT your car to beep at you or vibrate because you don't hold your lane, fine, BUY BUY BUY.

That said, I am not a dead man walking because I don't want that. I am a safe driver without these in my current vehicle and I don't want to purchase them in my new one because I don't want to use them. Hence, IMHO, no, thank you.

 

[mamboman777]

Don't try to confuse him with facts. Dude does not even wear a seatbelt, probably. After all, today's seatbelts with charged pretensioners are machines and he can't dare rely on that to save him in a bad situation. And bad situations are always planned in advance.

There's a huge difference between seat belts, sure bags ABS and automatic braking (standard, not exclusive to cp360) and CP360.

Let's say I got into an accident...I can say, "well, at least my____ during the accident"

".... Cars seat belt held me in place"
"... Air bags deployed to protect my head."
"... Cars automatic braking started and the ABS prevented the brakes from locking."

"Beeped at me."
"Steering wheel vibrated."

Sorry, no. I don't want those. That says, if you do, more power to you! Your money, your choice.

 

[JBL14]

Is powered mirrors really something people can’t live without? I’ve never had powered mirrors so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing.

I prefer power mirrors.. We have six drivers in our household, so every person readjusts the mirror to their preference.
Plus I drive the speed limit with cruise control and punks like to get 2 inches up my rear and shine their bright lights in my mirrors, even though I am in the right slow lane. I point the power mirrors down and ignore them until they finally pass.
Plus the heated mirrors are nice. I have had to get out the credit card and scrape the ice off here in Colorado.

 

[Angry Hippo]

Plus the heated mirrors are nice. I have had to get out the credit card and scrape the ice off here in Colorado.

I tried that once with my credit card. It snapped in half.

+1 on heated mirrors and windshieldwiper de-icer

 

[Jim D]

It’s surprisingly helpful. It has alerted me ( more than once)when the truck is in reverse. I wish I was a better driver but my concentration has diminished and this 360 system has reminded me to be more aware of my surroundings. If you have to wait for this feature it’s well worth the time regardless of its cost.

 

[Red Ryder]

Agree that ABS, airbags, and high-mounted brake lights are not "advanced safety features" in the context of this discussion or modern vehicles in general. Those have been around for many years and considered standard. This thread is about the features offered with the CP360 option. No need to cloud the discussion with discussion of mandated legacy safety features.

To be honest, I didn't specify it when I ordered, my dealer added it or it was a prerequisite for the XLT lux package, which I did specify. At any rate, I didn't want to "disturb the force" by changing my order. I do not have all of the features enabled, especially the lane keep assist or anything that screams at me. That said, most of it works better than I expected and is unobtrusive. I have been a barebones, "stick and rudder" type driver for many years, but to the point that JBL14 alluded to, age and experience will humble you. I still believe strongly that one should maintain sharp skills and discipline, but if it does prevent a lapse, misjudgement, or distraction from becoming worse, then I'm in.

 

[MLowe05]

Agree that ABS, airbags, and high-mounted brake lights are not "advanced safety features" in the context of this discussion or modern vehicles in general. Those have been around for many years and considered standard.

All of these things were new and advanced at one point. Mercedes was doing adaptive cruise control 23 years ago. Volvo implemented Blind Spot Monitoring 17 years ago. The Infiniti FX had lane departure warning 18 years ago.

For reference, the modern ABS system came to the USA in 1978. ABS was the same age as BLIS in 1995.. I'm sure people back then were like "I don't need no stinkin' ABS".

Point being - none of this is really all that "new" and eventually it all becomes the norm.

 

[DryHeat]

Oh, forgive me all mighty @DryHeat I have spoken with arrogance.

In 26 years of driving, I've been in one moving vehicle accident.

You are forgiven, my young friend. But there must be penance.

Say three "Hail Fords" and read a chapter in the owner's manual every day for a week...

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