Has anyone tried OpenPilot on the Maverick?

[SiGmA_X]

Comma does not work on the Hybrid. Hold on now. Their website says it is compatible with the Maverick. As such it should be a plug and play affair. It does not specify hybrid or non-hybrid. Rest assured it does not work with the hybrid out of the box, plug and and play, easy peasy, Bob's your Uncle. It doesn't as of this writing.

Some say they have it working in the hybrids. I do not doubt that they do. They're not using the stock plug and play Open Pilot software. Good for them to figure out Discord and GitHub and finding these "branches" that are said to work. I can't. Both Discord and Github are a garbled mess to me.

Since Comma and Open Pilot 0.9.4 is not compatible with the '22 hybrid I am returning my device. I'll keep an eye on the Comma website for official support for the hybrid.

OpenPilot is an alpha (pre-beta) dev kit, not a polished production product. If you're not comfortable with command line, I'd steer clear. I only suggest it to my nerdy friends who are at least comfortable with using a command line, and more like are software developers (I am NOT a developer, but I am very comfortable googling, chatting with devs on discord, and using SSH/Git/etc - I dabble in dev work as a hobby lol).

They definitely should update the vehicle listing if it doesn't work on the Hybrid, that's rather annoying. It works great on the 2.0...

I'm not sure which forks (or branches) are compatible with the hybrid, it's possible Comma has a test branch in their fork that works, but if they do, support should be able to point you to it. I haven't followed dev work anymore since things are working perfectly for me. I checked in comma's official fork and don't see anything but that doesn't mean one of the various ford branches isn't what a hybrid needs...

For those that are curious, what the heck is a branch? Near as I can tell it is just a customized version of the open pilot software. When installing a Comma, you connect it to the Internet and enter in the https address openpilot.comma.ai (this is a "branch"). The device reaches out and installs the stock OP software. To use non stock OP software you type in a different web address (a "branch") to get the software. Good luck finding this custom software. This bit is just a little over my head.

This is actually a fork, not a branch A branch is a version within a fork. So Comma may have a branch for it within their official fork, or it might be a community written fork that has it. I personally don't run comma's official software as I think it has some clunky limitations I dislike.

Questions questions questions.

1. ACC is just a fancier cruise control. Nothing more nothing less.
2. LC or lane centering (don't confuse this with lane keeping) is just the ability of the vehicle to steer itself to keep it in the center of the lane. Simple eh? LC is hands on the wheel. It is not hands-free. You can't not have LC without ACC.
3. Open Pilot and BlueCruise both add the capability of hands-free. To use either you must have ACC and LC.
4. BlueCruise is just software that tells lane centering it is permissible to operate hands-free. That's it. Nothing more. The magic of hands-free driving is in lane centering. LC uses cameras to see the road. If it can see the road it works. If it can't it doesn't.
5. Open Pilot bypasses the stock LC and uses it's own decision making algorithm. It uses its own camera, not the OEM camera. At its core though, it is constantly determining if it can see the road and steers or doesn't steer accordingly.
6. Open Pilot is hands-free or nothing. Open Pilot with steers your car hands-free or it doesn't steer your car at all.
7. BlueCruise hands-free requires being on a major road. Basically an interstate highway or a limited access highway. If your not, LC will still work but in hands-on mode.

This all sounds right to me, as a 4yr user of OpenPilot (across two platforms, including the Mav) and someone who's read a little about BlueCruise.

One note, eventually OpenPilot might be able to run on Maverick's with only LKAS/LC and not ACC, but right now they don't support that. I say this because OP does offer OP-ACC, but in my experience it is horrible. I try it out for a couple of short drives every time I upgrade OP, and it's still not comfortable. It's on and off the gas and brakes way too often. But, once that is ironed out, you shouldn't need factory ACC to run OP, you should just need factory LKAS (it needs the electronic power steering), which I think is on lower trim models of the Mav vs top trim? I might be wrong on that though.

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[oneinch]

OpenPilot is an alpha (pre-beta) dev kit, not a polished production product.

I"m not disagreeing with what I know now, but....

Comma's own installation material shows wire it, hang it, install software, drive and chill. Wham bam thank you ma'am. I'd hardly call that alpha. That's wide release production to me.

I'm just shelving this grand notion. Hopefully in the future - and I'm sure it'll happen - the Maverick Hybrid will work seamlessly.

Forks/branches ... Comma does a terrible job of explaining this jargon.

 

[SiGmA_X]

I"m not disagreeing with what I know now, but....

Comma's own installation material shows wire it, hang it, install software, drive and chill. Wham bam thank you ma'am. I'd hardly call that alpha. That's wide release production to me.

Yeah their site and manual is a little confusing. It clearly says development product only on the first page, but also tells you its plug and play. So while it says dev product for developers, the *other* content makes you think its always seamless and plug and play... Little misleading, but then again, that's geohot for you LOL. (If you want an entertaining/head scratching time, go check out his IG...You'll have to google to find him though, I can't remember it, I'm not an IG user.)

I'm just shelving this grand notion. Hopefully in the future - and I'm sure it'll happen - the Maverick Hybrid will work seamlessly.

When I bought my truck a year ago, no Fords were supported, so I'm sure it will get there! I was one of the first Maverick test vehicles, working with the Comma's Ford developer via PM's to get it functional.

 

[ChrisW]

I think I'll be trying this out in a few months. I'm a Sr. Software Engineer and just got my truck yesterday so I should be able to handle the jargon fine and maybe help some others out and do a full review. (Hybrid Lariat Lux + copilot assist)

 

[SiGmA_X]

Talking with some devs, the hybrid is moderately unsafe currently. There is a checksum problem comma can’t solve and it randomly disconnects? It'd be pretty cool if you could solve the checksum issues @ChrisW. I'm sure it's fixable with enough time thrown at it.

Ecoboost runs like a top, I’ve logged 14k with OP on it. No complaints.

 

[Napaeagle]

I think I'll be trying this out in a few months. I'm a Sr. Software Engineer and just got my truck yesterday so I should be able to handle the jargon fine and maybe help some others out and do a full review. (Hybrid Lariat Lux + copilot assist)

Thanks! Please keep us posted. If OP works on maverick hybrid, it will be great. I believe a lot of us will be willing to try.

 

[Deleted member 15499]

Talking with some devs, the hybrid is moderately unsafe currently. There is a checksum problem comma can’t solve and it randomly disconnects?

Ecoboost runs like a top, I’ve logged 14k with OP on it. No complaints.

I’ve been running sunnypilot forked with the hybrid check disabled for 5k miles on a hybrid and never experienced the bug. I think the most important thing for people to remember, you have to be fully aware and immediately ready to take control, that’s for hybrid or ice or any fully supported car.

 

[SiGmA_X]

I’ve been running sunnypilot forked with the hybrid check disabled for 5k miles on a hybrid and never experienced the bug. I think the most important thing for people to remember, you have to be fully aware and immediately ready to take control, that’s for hybrid or ice or any fully supported car.

Fair enough, that's good to hear. One fork maintainer took down the hybrid fork, he said he wants people to fork it and fingerprint it themselves so they hold their own liability, which seems fair. It's super simple to do.

And yes 100% agree, always pay attention and be ready to take over at any time. I've logged about 30k total miles on OP over my Mav and prior vehicle, and have never had any unexpected disconnects. I have had LOTS of expected lack of steering ability moments. But because I am paying attention and have a pretty good feel for what the model + EPS can do, it's not unexpected and it's not dangerous.

 

[Mas280]

Where can I buy the mount for the hybrid model? I placed An order for open pilot. Thanks.

 

[SiGmA_X]

Where can I buy the mount for the hybrid model? I placed An order for open pilot. Thanks.

Better question is where can you get the software that is safe to use with a hybrid.

But the mount itself, comma has the STL in their git. Print it in something like nylon and use VHB to mount it.
https://github.com/commaai/neo/blob/master/case/comma3/8_degree_c3_mount.stl

 

[Mas280]

Better question is where can you get the software that is safe to use with a hybrid.

But the mount itself, comma has the STL in their git. Print it in something like nylon and use VHB to mount it.
https://github.com/commaai/neo/blob/master/case/comma3/8_degree_c3_mount.stl

Thanks. Hopefully I can get safe software

 

[SiGmA_X]

Thanks. Hopefully I can get safe software

Have you discussed the hybrid in the Comma Discord? If not, you probably should.

 

[Backdoctor]

I recently installed the Comma AI comma 3x module In my Mav Hybrid. The standard software will not recognize the vehicle, so you need to alter the sunnypilot Ford-OP dev-c3 branch to turn off the “fingerprinting“ of the vehicle on startup. With this single line of code changed, the software will run. As stated earlier, there is a possible glitch during acceleration when it will “drop out” and you need to take control. I’ve only used it for a couple of short highway runs, but it seems to operate better than the previous version (comma 2) that I had running in my Honda CRV. It recognizes speed signs and I understand it may recognize stop signs and red lights.

I find using open pilot reduces brain bandwidth while driving. I love driving, but this makes it a smoother and more enjoyable experience.

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