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I have never used forscan but I’m interested in learning more about what you’re showing

in the first image, the spike in the yellow line for -RDU_TRQCAP_INF is what I assume to be the “clunk” event?

was it engaging and then disengaging the driveshafts or doing something else?
I think the main parameter of interest out of those that I posted is RDU_MTR_POS. I believe the magnitude of that value corresponds to the clutch engagement in the RDU. I highly recommend forscan, lots of tutorials out there. It is a great diagnostic tool for nuanced issues like this one.
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I have the same issue. TCU relearn "fixed" it but I have no doubt it'll be back.
It is interesting that the TCU relearn fixed yours. I don't think the TCU has any direct control over the RDU. Only the AWD module should. Now those two modules certainly communicate and I am sure there are programmed dependencies between them during operation. I only performed the AWD module adaptive learn reset.
 
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I took my Maverick 2.0 AWD FX4 27K miles into the Ford Dealership due to a clunking sound coming from underneath the truck. Only while taking off from a stop.
I had to get a tech to ride with me to let them hear the sound. I had my RDU and PTU drained and filled at 20K to be safe.
They thought it was the RDU so they drained and refilled. It did not fix the issue. I dont know why they thought to do that since I had it done at 20K.
Its been seven days and no solution. I was told they need to bring in (Ford) To help troubleshoot the issue. Any words of advice?
Since you are going the warranty route I would just stay on the dealer and try to get a resolution. You can also work with the ford account on this forum to get a case number opened up. I doubt getting a case number opened helps very much. In my experience in the past it does absolutely nothing. The squeaky wheel gets the grease!
I also would caution against any of your own troubleshooting like what I describe while you are in the middle of Ford looking into it. Just so they can't say the issue can't be replicated or try and pin the problem on you. However, if you have similar symptoms and an AWD module adaptive learn reset fixes the problem then at least that narrows down the area of concern.
 

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It is interesting that the TCU relearn fixed yours. I don't think the TCU has any direct control over the RDU. Only the AWD module should. Now those two modules certainly communicate and I am sure there are programmed dependencies between them during operation. I only performed the AWD module adaptive learn reset.
My bad, I did the AWD relearn too. Mine felt like a small clunk when downshifting, usually worse when cold. I'll drive it a bit longer to see if it comes back.

Wondering if I should change out the fluid...
 
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I had a similar problem slowly pulling away from a light or stop sign at about 4k, I removed everything from the vehicle, remembering a customer I had many years ago had a thump on acceleration, we spent hours looking for the problem, turned out to be a beer mug under the passenger seat. didn't we look like fools. Have 8k now and I only hear it once and a while still scares me. Check under the seats.
Issue is not related to anything in the vehicle or in the bed. I removed everything from the truck initially to rule that out. I usually keep quite a few emergency items under the rear seat and was thinking along the same lines as you.
 

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My bad, I did the AWD relearn too. Mine felt like a small clunk when downshifting, usually worse when cold. I'll drive it a bit longer to see if it comes back.

Wondering if I should change out the fluid...
In my experience the fluid change did nothing. However, I am glad I changed the factory fluid out. The drain plug magnet had a lot of magnetic fuzz on it. No shavings large enough to feel in your hand. Just break in material more than likely. I had also heard rumors of under-filled PTUs and RDUs from the factory. Couldn't sleep at night until I knew that they were properly filled hahaha.
 
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i feel like this could be the PTU.
I am leaning towards the RDU, reasoning detailed below:
- The clunk noise is very noticeable from the rear of the vehicle. No perceptible noise from the front.
- There are multiple service bulletins out on other Ford vehicles with the same style AWD system with a rear disconnect drive unit making noise during low speed maneuvers. I believe the service bulletins call for a software update to correct the problem initially. A software update coincides well with the steps I took to fix the issue, even if it is just a temporary fix - AWD module relearn.
- If you look at PID RDU_MTR_POS in my pictures above there is a huge difference in how fast the clutch engages in the first picture (prior to the adaptive learn reset) and the remaining pictures (after the adaptive learn reset). I have this information exported to a csv file and in the first picture the clutch goes from minimum engagement to full engagement in ~505 msec, in the remaining pictures the clutch goes from minimum engagement to full engagement in ~832 msec. It also doesn't ramp in one sweep like the first. It ramps up roughly halfway on the scale and holds for ~337 msec. That initial ramp and hold likely makes for a very smooth and unnoticeable engagement where the full ramp before was noticeable.
 
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I am leaning towards the RDU, reasoning detailed below:
- The clunk noise is very noticeable from the rear of the vehicle. No perceptible noise from the front.
- There are multiple service bulletins out on other Ford vehicles with the same style AWD system with a rear disconnect drive unit making noise during low speed maneuvers. I believe the service bulletins call for a software update to correct the problem initially. A software update coincides well with the steps I took to fix the issue, even if it is just a temporary fix - AWD module relearn.
- If you look at PID RDU_MTR_POS in my pictures above there is a huge difference in how fast the clutch engages in the first picture (prior to the adaptive learn reset) and the remaining pictures (after the adaptive learn reset). I have this information exported to a csv file and in the first picture the clutch goes from minimum engagement to full engagement in ~505 msec, in the remaining pictures the clutch goes from minimum engagement to full engagement in ~832 msec. It also doesn't ramp in one sweep like the first. It ramps up roughly halfway on the scale and holds for ~337 msec. That initial ramp and hold likely makes for a very smooth and unnoticeable engagement where the full ramp before was noticeable.
I checked under the truck and everything is secure, no suspension movement anywhere, driveshaft and half shafts felt solid at the RDU. So I went and hooked up forscan and got it to clunk immediately. It happens right at 16mph only while decelerating. See attached forscan images of PTU and RDU PIDs. The first picture is an event capture during a clunk. The second picture is the list of PIDs and the order they are plotted, see summary below as well.
-PTU_CLTCH_CMD
-RDU_CLTCH_OPEN
-RDU_MTRPOS_KISS
-RDU_MTR_POS
-RDU_TRQCAP_INF
-RDU_TRQ_REQ
-ROM_CHECK_AWD
The third, fourth, and fifth pictures are event captures without a clunk after performing an AWD module adaptive learning reset. I figured I would try an adaptation reset on that module to see if it would clear up the clunk or at least change it to further confirm my theory of the RDU being the issue or related to the issue. Had good results with cleaning up clunky shifting on an F150 with the notorious 10 speed. Sure enough it drives completely normal again. I exported those recordings to a csv file and will do some more detailed analysis tomorrow. Will report back with additional information and if the clunk seems to be gone still.

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I feel like I need to add some additional information to the pictures above. As mentioned previously I think the main PID of interest here is RDU_MTR_POS. It is the PID that changed drastically after the AWD module adaptive learn reset. The pink and yellow lines also appeared to be different. However, after additional testing today those lines track inferred and requested torque. They really only start to pickup when the RDU has actual load applied to it during acceleration or sitting still in drive with torque applied to the RDU and the RDU clutch engaged. They do not start picking up during deceleration even with the RDU clutch engaged. I believe the varying results on those two traces is a result of me not coming to a complete stop during testing or coming to a quicker/slower stop.
 
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Pictures of the csv files for clunk and no clunk events. The first tab is the clunk event and the second tab is the no clunk event titled forscan testing.

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That is awesome.

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The third, fourth, and fifth pictures are event captures without a clunk after performing an AWD module adaptive learning reset. I figured I would try an adaptation reset on that module to see if it would clear up the clunk or at least change it to further confirm my theory of the RDU being the issue or related to the issue. Had good results with cleaning up clunky shifting on an F150 with the notorious 10 speed. Sure enough it drives completely normal again.
Could you share how to perform the AWD module adaptive learning reset? My thud is worse than ever after Ford did the TSB and changed the oil in the RDU, which by the way did have metal shavings in it. The truck also revs up now after each thud. Lovely!
 
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Sorry to revive a dead thread, but my 24 xlt ecoboost started clunk or thump from the rear at about 2k miles. It now has 4500 miles on it after a year. It is 100% drive train low speed coming to a stop related.

Any obvious advice before I send it for warranty?

Years ago I was a ford master. I still two old guys at the dealership. I might not get my truck back for a month, but they won't send it back broken still.
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