Ford $30K Electric Truck. A winner?

[Surly Old Bill]

I want EV’s to go main stream but I just don’t see it.
I read a post in here that mentioned one hour or sub one hour charge times.
To what 50% ?
City use with a second gas/ hybrid car makes some sense but I don’t know.

EV with a range extender makes a lot of sense. You get most of the best of both worlds.
There are a lot of sub hour charge times to go 200+ miles, but my understanding is that rapid charge degrades components faster due to the heat. I think some systems combat this with active cooling, though.

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[Surly Old Bill]

I wonder how many EV owners are even on MTC. Everyone here speaks with such authority one way or the other but how many of us actually use one in our day to day lives?

246.
So far. More members join every day.

 

[Darryl]

My issue is living in Michigan I need heat in the morning and AC in the afternoon several months a year.

An EV can provide both. But battery range is reduced some in summer when running the AC. But it drops SIGNIFICANTLY when using heat unless it' has a heat pump

 

[bbhaag]

I wonder how many EV owners are even on MTC. Everyone here speaks with such authority one way or the other but how many of us actually use one in our day to day lives?

 

[d7602002]

I do like the stats. But 78% of all percentage stats are only 48% accurate and 58% of people know that. So that means 8% of the people reading this will find it 26% false. 82% of the people know that. Once again I contribute nothing to the conversation. I'm tired it's 5:46am.

 

[Blue_Max]

I wonder how many EV owners are even on MTC. Everyone here speaks with such authority one way or the other but how many of us actually use one in our day to day lives?

Why did you make the same exact post a couple hours apart?

 

[Deleted member 45110]

I do like the stats. But 78% of all percentage stats are only 48% accurate and 58% of people know that. So that means 8% of the people reading this will find it 26% false. 82% of the people know that. Once again I contribute nothing to the conversation. I'm tired it's 5:46am.

Which part of the stats is your post

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[Suzukiridr14]

All this EV talk is fine, the problem I see is, where is everyone going to get these vehicles charged up when going on a long trip to unfamiliar places. Gas stations can fill up 15 to 20 cars per hour, per gas pump, charging stations tie up a charger for a while, and the fast chargers, will shorten the life of your cars battery in half. Everyone I know with an EV, has a ICE vehicle to back them up. I can't see spending $30+K just to do some local shopping!

 

[Surly Old Bill]

All this EV talk is fine, the problem I see is, where is everyone going to get these vehicles charged up when going on a long trip to unfamiliar places. Gas stations can fill up 15 to 20 cars per hour, per gas pump, charging stations tie up a charger for a while, and the fast chargers, will shorten the life of your cars battery in half. Everyone I know with an EV, has a ICE vehicle to back them up. I can't see spending $30+K just to do some local shopping!

Use the right tool for the job, obviously for your driving patterns an EV is not the right tool. For the vast majority of drivers they are; with a little extra time taken for long roadtrips a couple times a year.
We have hardly any issues with the 80 mile range Fiat, because we don't try to use it for anything that would require charging on the road; it only gets charged at home. And I don't use the 15mpg Transit(not Connect) to run to the store to get beer, either. We have the luxury of multiple vehicles, of course, so there's a best tool for the job available. Personally, I'd like to have just one vehicle instead of taking up space with the unused ones. That Transit(not Connect) is just a hunk of metal since I got the Maverick. But, when camping season comes back, it will get used more. Or if I have to haul something big or long that the Maverick can't handle. Conversely, the Maverick sucks for camping; now that we're used to having a rolling apartment that is the Transit(not Connect) campervan. But out of the three at the main house, the Maverick is the "one-size-fits-most" that gets used the most. Of course in Kona we just have the X5, and make do. Always fun to fold down the rear seats and stuff it full of yard waste to go to the dump, then clean it out to go for cocktails at sunset at the 4-seasons later.

 

[Darryl]

By the data. EVs have been around for quite some time. Also resale takes a tank shows buyers are not interested. Another eye opener for you is why the government offered tax break incentives and still the EV sales were sluggish at best compared to comparable ICE without incentives. Easy to see the writing on the wall.

Don't take this as absolute there are EV buyers just not the masses. At least for the time being.

Look at also EV that have been discontinued and companies going belly up.

Truth be told, it's the norm for a start up car company to go belly up. Kia and Hyundai are the exceptions rather than the rule. It's extremely difficult to break in with well established companies already in charge

 

[JohnCondren1933]

I design & program manufacturing automation in the automotive industry, your extrapolation of F-150 Lighting vs Electric Maverick unit-production costs is absolutely not anything close to matetials cost.

Material cost is a component of unit-production costs but you missed alot.

Let's start with the well-known explanation for why fighter jets cost so much "If Ford could only sell 10x as many F-150 in 1 year as Lockheed-Martin sold F-16 fighters over its lifetime, Ford would need to sell F-150 at $20 million a piece to break even on development & manufacturing tooling costs".

The Maverick is able to be built so comparatively (to 2025 vehicles) incredibly cheap, because of Ford's previous investment in a modular (vehicle engineering) universal architecture - most of the structural crash safety, rollover & handling, ride stiffness, engines, transmissions, electronics, used by Maverick had already been paid for with the development & productipn of Escape & Bronco Sport (& Lincoln Nautilus).

Manufacturing tooling is expensive & time-consuming as hell to engineer, build & setup, cloning a working set of tooling is comparatively dirt cheap & extremely fast to get operational.

The manufacturing operation sequence is in fact so similar for Escape, Bronco Sport & Maverick, that Ford is now doing PPAP getting ready to run Maverick production at the Louisville KY plant, on the SAME assembly lines building Escape & Bronco Sport, with only needing a small new parallel assembly line for some Maverick specific work like the bed assembly.

Maverick can thus actually be built for something approximating direct labor & materials cost, because for more production units, they just clone the working assembly & fabrication automation for basically cost of materials.

How much of the C2 universal architecture can an EV Maverick borrow? Maybe 15% total cost & THATS being extremely generous!! You might be able to get a short electric range PHEV Maverick built on mostly the same existing tooling & C2 architecture, but just from a manufacturing tooling perspective, even if CATL gave Ford batteries at cost, Ford would lose money on the 1st 200,000 vehicles just covering the manufacturing & assembly tooling, unless somehow Ford is able to assemble this cheap EV truck on the same assembly lines running the Lighting.

Starting $40,000 is doable. $30,000 is a massive load of horseshit trying to generate buzz.

And if you think there were teething problems with Maverick, which out the gate had a proven supply chain & component field test data for virtually all the sub-assemblies used, & was built on a proven tested assembly line & in process quality checks that had been building Escapes for a decade,

You're gonna LOVE the 1st couple years of a full EV Maverick that you delusionally think is similar because they used the same sheeymetal shape, but assembled on new unproven tooling, with razor thin profit margins even if everything goes good.

It's actually an accurate report that gas been around for over a month. It's not AI. Whether they will meet their $30,000 Target is another matter. since this truck is closer to the size of the maverick, it would not need a battery nearly as large as the one in the Lightning . So the cost will be much lower. The price of the base MACH E is around 38,000. It's unlikely that they're spending only 8,000 on the rest of the car. So I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to build a small truck using new manufacturing techniques for somewhere in the low to mid 30,000 range

 

[Darryl]

As you put on the bottom of all your posts: If you think it is half empty or half full, it will be whichever you perceive!!!!

Who's going to fix them? Anyone that can fix a hybrid can fix an EV. It's a hybrid with a larger battery and missing an engine. A large electric by itself motor replaces the small electric motor that's combined with a transmission in the hybrid.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

Give me a 50 Mi range extended plug-in Maverick. With a total range of 450-500 MI.
$30k

 

[Blue_Max]

Starting $40,000 is doable. $30,000 is a massive load of horseshit trying to generate buzz.

And if you think there were teething problems with Maverick, which out the gate had a proven supply chain & component field test data for virtually all the sub-assemblies used, & was built on a proven tested assembly line & in process quality checks that had been building Escapes for a decade,

You're gonna LOVE the 1st couple years of a full EV Maverick that you delusionally think is similar because they used the same sheeymetal shape, but assembled on new unproven tooling, with razor thin profit margins even if everything goes good.

The proposed $30K EV truck will not be a Maverick.

 

[JohnCondren1933]

Way to miss the point.
An EV Ranger starting at $30,000 would be an even more horseshit claim

The proposed $30K EV truck will not be a Maverick.

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