Ford $30K Electric Truck. A winner?

[Darryl]

PROVE this so called misinformation.

I havent read anyone being angry about its possibilty.

While your perspective belongs to you, doesnt make your anger gyst real to what i've read or written. ​

Its ok if its not for everybody!

It's perfectly ok . NO particular car is for everyone. And perhaps you're not angry at the possibility, there are people who plainly are hostile to EV's. And it shows. If someone owns one and likes it, they'll actually argue with them . Then you see those who NEVER are in favor of environmental regulations and generally deny this or that is actually harmful. But are all of a sudden concerned about lithium mining and battery disposal.

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[Surly Old Bill]

Nobody who owns an EV charges to 100% especially when on a longer trip.

we charge to 100% all the time, every time.
But, we also have a tiny battery in the Fiat 500e. It only takes maybe 6 hours to go from 10-15% to 100%...using 120vac level 1 charger. Actually, we charge to 110-120%. It's only supposed to have an 80 mile range, but after charging overnight it's usually predicting 100+ miles. Which is good enough for a week's worth of driving the way it's used.

 

[bbhaag]

we charge to 100% all the time, every time.
But, we also have a tiny battery in the Fiat 500e. It only takes maybe 6 hours to go from 10-15% to 100%...using 120vac level 1 charger. Actually, we charge to 110-120%. It's only supposed to have an 80 mile range, but after charging overnight it's usually predicting 100+ miles. Which is good enough for a week's worth of driving the way it's used.

Your exception is not the rule.

 

[Surly Old Bill]

Would I get a BEV pickup? Not to do pickup stuff. Not with the current available technology.
Would I get a BEV small SUV? Ab-so-f-ing-lutely.
Would I get a BEV pickup if it were priced as cheap as the Maverick XL? Hecks yeah. And I'd use it like a small SUV and forget about the open space in the back. And pocket the $10k savings from it not being a SUV.

Actually considering a Hyundai Kona EV to take the place of the X5 at the house in...Kona. Just because it's cheeky to have a Kona in Kona. And they're cheap. We WILL get solar at that house, for some reason equipment is cheap there, and you can buy it right off the shelf at Home Depot/Lowe's. A whole house grid tie kit including multi-day battery like a Power Wall starts around $10k. I think it's encouraged because most of the public power is from diesel generators, with the diesel brought in from the mainland. A lot of the neighbors already have solar arrays.

I found my answer why it's cheap:

 

[d7602002]

I see this is a thread about an electric vehicle so does anyone have any opinions on EVs? Just curious if people want them? Or if they are cheaper or better alternatives? . I'm a smart ass!

 

[Aherpa]

It's a pickup truck so it will be hauling stuff around on road trips . . . maybe pretty short road trips with a battery that size.
If it will be about the size/weight of the Maverick (and that's a big if) and the Maverick's 1.2 kwh can only do about 2 miles on pure electric (and that is nursing it) how far will the 51kwh battery push this new truck? The math limits this to running to work with maybe a shopping detour on the way home.
For the foreseeable future, I won't buy an EV because of limited range and the time to recharge the thing.
I would buy a PHEV Maverick though and I wish Ford would concentrate on that small truck.

 

[Deleted member 45110]

Dont know answer to this question~ what % of the population could an EV actually work as a daily vehicle for them as the only vehicle?

It seems several commenting on buying a possible new ev already have cars and are just shuffling their options, or adding to their options.
As IF the majority can do that???
Hmmm???... me thinks the smallest minority can do that.

Then add what % of the possible new ev group have a place to live where it can be charged overnight?
Charging port & time to charge are part of the dilemma.

So what % could these options truely work for?
(Btw IF that eventually gets to 20% or 25% of the populist ok, but what percentage could this actually work for?)

Seems while ev can be an option for some.
They probly are out of the equation no matter what someone wants to drive.
Factoring in plugging it in & time to charge.

 

[TheSEARCH]

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Nobody who owns an EV charges to 100% especially when on a longer trip. This is just your way of projecting what you have heard instead of actually owning and using an EV.

That was my POINT. NOT misinformation. Correct NO ONE does charge past 80 percent on a trip on a fast charger. YET when they talk range they ALWAYS talk from a 100 yet on a trip they only get 80 percent. Showing how the range is really even LOWER .

Then EVEN at home you shouldn't charge to 100 percent on regular basis for longer battery life. I learned that in 2022 when friend bought a used "Tesla 3,. They told him flat out . Charge it to 80% . ONLY when you know you NEED 100 percent charge it to 100.

So practically if this new Ford has only a 51 Kw battery as article said its range as a GUESS will only be 150 mile. BUT really 120 miles. Since at 80%.even at home. BUT really who drives till empty so knock another 30 miles so effective range 90 miles. I myself go as low as a little under 1/8 tank on Mav Hybrid and still have 40 to 50 miles showing left,. This is with a gas car If I had a EV I would want even MORE range left so not to get stranded since so few chargers around . Especially in the in winter in Buffalo.

So YOU may have read I was stating people charge to 100. I should have been more clear. I was pointing out its only 80%. BUT there was ZERO misinformation on what I wrote. Maybe just not clear enough on what I meant.

I was hoping ford was going to hit it out of the park. BUT if true about 51kw battery they failed.

Plus will it even be equal to a base XL ?? It could be even lower than that. Meaning crank windows no cruise and no AC. Or is the only short cut the battery itself? Guess will see.

 

[Surly Old Bill]

Dont know answer to this question~ what % of the population could an EV actually work as a daily vehicle for them as the only vehicle?

over 90% of Merkuns, if annual/daily mileage stats are credible.
You have to realize that the vast majority of Merkuns live in urban and suburban areas, and don't need to make a 50+ mile round trip to the store to get milk. Although a 200 mile range isn't great for long roadtrips a few times a year, it's still capable, it just takes longer because of the 30-45 minute charge time in the middle (that's when I'd choose to get lunch). On the other 360 days a year, you get to enjoy much cheaper cost per mile, and the convenience of charging at home for a lot of people.
YES, YOU have driven more than 400 miles in a day, I get it. You are not normal. Not many people do that regularly. I drive 500 miles in 8-9 hours one way to go visit my Mom about once a month. I've driven about 750 miles in one go at a time, between Central Oregon and Breckenridge Colorado when I would come home for the holidays (sleeping in the back of the truck and then another 400 the next day) . That is not normal.

That said, there are plenty of people who need extended range beyond 200 miles a day, and/or haul heavy loads regularly. That's why a variety of drivetrains should be available, not just the weird idea of reducing it to only one; ICE or BEV. The same logic of 2-door economy car vs 8-passenger SUV applies. Both are needed/desired in the marketplace and can do things the other cannot.

Manufacturers are pretty good at studying the marketplace in order to maximize their profits. There's a REASON why most large BEV trucks and vans only have a 120 mile range. The main buyers of such vehicles, delivery companies and in-town contractor fleets, drive less than half that distance every day. Ford et al aren't catering to the miniscule few people who want a long range Transit(not Connect) van to make an electric campervan. Not that it hasn't been done; I've read on the Transit forum about such projects. But, the mfgs make the 120 mile range so they don't have to increase production costs with more battery capacity that's not needed by the majority of their customers.

 

[Darryl]

over 90% of Merkuns, if annual/daily mileage stats are credible.
You have to realize that the vast majority of Merkuns live in urban and suburban areas, and don't need to make a 50+ mile round trip to the store to get milk. Although a 200 mile range isn't great for long roadtrips a few times a year, it's still capable, it just takes longer because of the 30-45 minute charge time in the middle (that's when I'd choose to get lunch). On the other 360 days a year, you get to enjoy much cheaper cost per mile, and the convenience of charging at home for a lot of people.
YES, YOU have driven more than 400 miles in a day, I get it. You are not normal. Not many people do that regularly. I drive 500 miles in 8-9 hours one way to go visit my Mom about once a month. I've driven about 750 miles in one go at a time, between Central Oregon and Breckenridge Colorado when I would come home for the holidays (sleeping in the back of the truck and then another 400 the next day) . That is not normal.

That said, there are plenty of people who need extended range beyond 200 miles a day, and/or haul heavy loads regularly. That's why a variety of drivetrains should be available, not just the weird idea of reducing it to only one; ICE or BEV. The same logic of 2-door economy car vs 8-passenger SUV applies. Both are needed/desired in the marketplace and can do things the other cannot.

Manufacturers are pretty good at studying the marketplace in order to maximize their profits. There's a REASON why most large BEV trucks and vans only have a 120 mile range. The main buyers of such vehicles, delivery companies and in-town contractor fleets, drive less than half that distance every day. Ford et al aren't catering to the miniscule few people who want a long range Transit(not Connect) van to make an electric campervan. Not that it hasn't been done; I've read on the Transit forum about such projects. But, the mfgs make the 120 mile range so they don't have to increase production costs with more battery capacity that's not needed by the majority of their customers.

So you don't need to drive non stop 400 miles while towing a trailer up hill both ways? You're not the typical driver . But on a serious note, when I take long trips, I often rent because I'm usually traveling with family and need a minivan sized vehicle. Of course I'd like something that could go at least 250 miles because that's my typical longer trip to see family. But even if a vehicle had a 150 mile range it would suit me well for all my local driving. I drive 90-100 miles daily. I live in a double wide mobile home. So installing a 240 volt outlet outside would be more than sufficient to charge overnight. A fast charger is 5 miles away. Would I buy one to fully replace my Maverick? Probably not. But would I get one as a second vehicle I would.

 

[chrisofpa]

I am very much in the market for an EV vehicle once my commuter Fusion hits the bucket, however, I drive 150-180 miles a day depending on which route I take (Traffic Dependent) and I would require at the very minimum 250 miles range to feel safe, that would have to be a real world figure under all conditions too and not a paper figure in ideal circumstances. I plan on charging at home but I do have a Tesla Supercharger next to my job in case of an emergency.

I plan on buying certified pre-owned since I don't have the stomach to pay more than $30,000, right now its a toss up between a Tesla Model 3 and the Ford Mustang Mach-E, I would prefer the Tesla but the high insurance premium's you have to pay are turning me off, I live in a heavy deer area so these kinds of collisions are guaranteed for the miles I drive/times of day I am on the road. I can't get a $12,000 repair bill and my insurance threating to total my car every time it happens. I would hope a Ford EV would be cheaper to insure.

As for the truck, I am not in the market for another but if Ford made a small EV SUV with AWD and a guaranteed 250 mile range that can use Tesla Super Charger's plus charge at home, I would be very interested.

 

[mikellmikell]

My issue is living in Michigan I need heat in the morning and AC in the afternoon several months a year.

 

[Blue_Max]

My issue is living in Michigan I need heat in the morning and AC in the afternoon several months a year.

There are lots of EVs in my Florida neighborhood that requires constant A/C pretty much year round.

 

[Deleted member 45110]

over 90% of Merkuns, if annual/daily mileage stats are credible.
You have to realize that the vast majority of Merkuns live in urban and suburban areas, and don't need to make a 50+ mile round trip to the store to get milk. Although a 200 mile range isn't great for long roadtrips a few times a year, it's still capable, it just takes longer because of the 30-45 minute charge time in the middle (that's when I'd choose to get lunch). On the other 360 days a year, you get to enjoy much cheaper cost per mile, and the convenience of charging at home for a lot of people.
YES, YOU have driven more than 400 miles in a day, I get it. You are not normal. Not many people do that regularly. I drive 500 miles in 8-9 hours one way to go visit my Mom about once a month. I've driven about 750 miles in one go at a time, between Central Oregon and Breckenridge Colorado when I would come home for the holidays (sleeping in the back of the truck and then another 400 the next day) . That is not normal.

That said, there are plenty of people who need extended range beyond 200 miles a day, and/or haul heavy loads regularly. That's why a variety of drivetrains should be available, not just the weird idea of reducing it to only one; ICE or BEV. The same logic of 2-door economy car vs 8-passenger SUV applies. Both are needed/desired in the marketplace and can do things the other cannot.

Manufacturers are pretty good at studying the marketplace in order to maximize their profits. There's a REASON why most large BEV trucks and vans only have a 120 mile range. The main buyers of such vehicles, delivery companies and in-town contractor fleets, drive less than half that distance every day. Ford et al aren't catering to the miniscule few people who want a long range Transit(not Connect) van to make an electric campervan. Not that it hasn't been done; I've read on the Transit forum about such projects. But, the mfgs make the 120 mile range so they don't have to increase production costs with more battery capacity that's not needed by the majority of their customers.

LOL your comments are limited to the merkun populis???
'Surly' you must be able to look beyond that demographic to realize there are far more millions of drivers who drive more than 40 miles in 1 trip to and from work.

Manufacturers are at some point creating vehicles to sell for carbon credits for the fleet of gas engines they sell.

The trueth about the current statistics are an extremely low percentage of people are electric vehicle owners.
Murken or otherwise fact!

Its weird how people do not want to recognize the factual statistics that are already part of the population. It doesn't negate that another ev can enter the market.
However acknowledging the low % of buyers is still a fact !!!

 

[RR - All the way]

LOL your comments are limited to the merkun populis???
'Surly' you must be able to look beyond that demographic to realize there are far more millions of drivers who drive more than 40 miles in 1 trip to and from work.

Manufacturers are at some point creating vehicles to sell for carbon credits for the fleet of gas engines they sell.

The trueth about the current statistics are an extremely low percentage of people are electric vehicle owners.
Murken or otherwise fact!

Its weird how people do not want to recognize the factual statistics that are already part of the populace. It doesn't negate that another ev can enter the market.
However acknowledging the low % of buyers is still a fact !!!

So there are a large number of potential buyers who may buy an EV for the first time???

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