Ecoboost brake problem

[shadowthrone]

Lol, the ceramic circlejerk! Real ceramic pads require matching rotors so you don't wear away the $100 part with the $10 part. Most of the "ceramic" pads are "hybrid" or "semi-ceramic" - aka still tons of dust to allow for good cold performance and eliminate the squeal.

I ran real, high performance ceramic pads on a different car before, and there are 3 things you must accept going in:
1. Buy matching rotors made for ceramic pads, +$$
2. Cold performance sucks, like trying to brake with greased glass.
3. The squeals! Related to cold performance, cold ceramics squeal like crazy and become near silent when warmed up.

Ceramic performance pads in a daily driver are not great unless you spiritedly drive up and down winding mountain roads all day, or like to turn heads with loud squeals. And if you drive on the highway for a while and let them cool down, good luck trying to not hit that stupid deer or "special" driver that jumped in front of you 30 ft away. I went back to OEM pads in all my and my family daily drivers - cheap, quiet, designed by actual engineer to work great, never a warranty or insurance concern.

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[Montana]

Did you notice a reduction in brake dust? OEMs seem to have an excessive amount.

I keep the truck pretty clean overall and my wheels help to hide that stuff, but on the stock wheels the truck came with there was a good amount of brake dust lodged in the deep pockets and the inner wheel.

Since my truck wouldn't go into brake service mode I was only able to do the fronts and have to take it to the dealer because they have to force it with FDRS. Forscan will not put the vehicle into brake service mode. FORD currently has no fix for the issue. So that means any time I want to service the rear brakes due to the electronic parking brake I have to take it in to have it done. Pretty ridiculous considering I got pads for less than $70 and now I have to pay someone to put it into service mode.

One thing I have noticed though, even with just the front pads, is the brakes are much smoother and more responsive in a normal way. I had the grabby brake issue on the previous Escape Hybrid and it was so annoying. I'm not sure if there is a TSB for the Ecoboost Mavericks but it was definitely present.

Lol, the ceramic circlejerk! Real ceramic pads require matching rotors so you don't wear away the $100 part with the $10 part. Most of the "ceramic" pads are "hybrid" or "semi-ceramic" - aka still tons of dust to allow for good cold performance and eliminate the squeal.

I ran real, high performance ceramic pads on a different car before, and there are 3 things you must accept going in:
1. Buy matching rotors made for ceramic pads, +$$
2. Cold performance sucks, like trying to brake with greased glass.
3. The squeals! Related to cold performance, cold ceramics squeal like crazy and become near silent when warmed up.

Ceramic performance pads in a daily driver are not great unless you spiritedly drive up and down winding mountain roads all day, or like to turn heads with loud squeals. And if you drive on the highway for a while and let them cool down, good luck trying to not hit that stupid deer or "special" driver that jumped in front of you 30 ft away. I went back to OEM pads in all my and my family daily drivers - cheap, quiet, designed by actual engineer to work great, never a warranty or insurance concern.

As for the "ceramic debate"... yea, the ones I linked are not "performance pads". They are a ceramic blend meant to be used with normal rotors. I think the only one debating the usefulness is yourself. Live and you learn I guess... but a little research could have told you to not invest in "performance brakes" for non track driving. Brake pads are one thing I will not buy OEM. Especially on these models that are known for their cheap and grabby brake issues.

 

[shadowthrone]

As for the "ceramic debate"... yea, the ones I linked are not "performance pads". They are a ceramic blend meant to be used with normal rotors. I think the only one debating the usefulness is yourself. Live and you learn I guess... but a little research could have told you to not invest in "performance brakes" for non track driving. Brake pads are one thing I will not buy OEM. Especially on these models that are known for their cheap and grabby brake issues.

I guess everyone's mileage varies, but I have been driving mostly Fords for close to 20 years now, with a few Subaru's and Toyota's in the mix, and I have never had a problem with OEM pads. I have tried ceramic blends and the primary difference I noticed was the cost, with an ever so slightly smoother feel that could be just perception bias. Dust was about the same for me as well.
The other aspect why I stick with OEM is Adaptive Cruise control on new cars - I am not sure if it's intelligent enough to learn how much grippier/stronger aftermarket pads are, and I don't particularly want to find out.

 

[Darnon]

The other aspect why I stick with OEM is Adaptive Cruise control on new cars - I am not sure if it's intelligent enough to learn how much grippier/stronger aftermarket pads are, and I don't particularly want to find out.

The vehicle has speed/G-sensors. It knows how fast it is decelerating. It's not like the cruise control freaks out if you put power-enhancing mods on.

 

[Jackfer]

On this thread I see FOMOCO replied as I've seen them do numerous times. While I would think its greatly appreciated, does anyone know from first hand experience if they follow through? I haven't had an opportunity to see being the messages are done privately after the initial contact.

 

[Montana]

I guess everyone's mileage varies, but I have been driving mostly Fords for close to 20 years now, with a few Subaru's and Toyota's in the mix, and I have never had a problem with OEM pads. I have tried ceramic blends and the primary difference I noticed was the cost, with an ever so slightly smoother feel that could be just perception bias. Dust was about the same for me as well.
The other aspect why I stick with OEM is Adaptive Cruise control on new cars - I am not sure if it's intelligent enough to learn how much grippier/stronger aftermarket pads are, and I don't particularly want to find out.

I agree in that I have been using OEM pads out the gate for equally as long across different brands and never had any major issues - until the Escape/Mavericks (and bronco's). Their brake issues are pretty well known. Plus, I bought mine used so who knows... I went through and serviced everything for that reason alone. But the new Escape I had was by far the worst braking I have ever had and since it's basically the same platform in the Maverick I figured I'd get a head start on it.

Cost is definitely a factor for people and if it is, saving $20 on per set can make a difference.

On this thread I see FOMOCO replied as I've seen them do numerous times. While I would think its greatly appreciated, does anyone know from first hand experience if they follow through? I haven't had an opportunity to see being the messages are done privately after the initial contact.

Not dissing them, but it's basically the same as calling customer service. They take your VIN and a bunch of personal info you probably shouldn't give out on sites like these, like your address, and find the dealer closest to you and simply refer you to them. Basically they say "Oh yea, we see here your VIN is affected by this recall, contact these people to get it into service". I guess it's better than nothing though. There are A LOT of people on this forum who could use even that much assistance as a push in the right direction. It's certainly more then GM and Toyota have ever done...

That said, they won't reply to anything you tag them with as far as issues that need to be addressed that have not been. Like Mavericks not going into brake service mode...
*hint @Ford Motor Company

 

[inthecabin]

I ended up getting rid of the truck , they never did get the brakes fixed just put grease on them to quiet them down and that didn’t last , the truck had several other issues as well , started smelling like rotten eggs inside the cab and other things that were probably all minor but put them all together and it was time for it to go, I traded for a 23 Ranger and heck the brakes are so spongy I’m afraid I’m gonna crash at times , I haven’t had them looked at yet but sounds like ford is having sone quality issues

That’s common but there is a fix. Many use forscan and do an ABS purge or bleed electronically. Go to the ranger5g forum and you’ll find it.

 

[jsus]

The vehicle has speed/G-sensors. It knows how fast it is decelerating. It's not like the cruise control freaks out if you put power-enhancing mods on.

It also would need to adjust to brake pad wear, tire wear, traction, etc...

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