Any news on allocations?

[jesemd]

Model Year 2023 process will improve. It couldn’t have been worse.

From what I understand from LM Tim's videos is allocations are now determined through a series of unsolvable quantum mechanics formulas that give more allocations to the dealers who sell the most Mavericks and who sell them soonest after they arrive. Seems like a feedback loop to me. As you sell more Mavs, you get more Mavs, so you sell more Mavs, etc. Almost like they are trying to run the small guys out of business.

If Ford is truly going to an Order Only business model, it would make sense for them to want the small dealers gone. It also makes me wish I had ordered from a Mega dealer. We shall see....

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[AltoBAP]

From what I understand from LM Tim's videos is allocations are now determined through a series of unsolvable quantum mechanics formulas that give more allocations to the dealers who sell the most Mavericks and who sell them soonest after they arrive. Seems like a feedback loop to me. As you sell more Mavs, you get more Mavs, so you sell more Mavs, etc. Almost like they are trying to run the small guys out of business.

If Ford is truly going to an Order Only business model, it would make sense for them to want the small dealers gone. It also makes me wish I had ordered from a Mega dealer. We shall see....

I ordered from the number one volume dealer in the world.

I fully expect a 9 to 12 month wait.

 

[KevCuRaoi]

So what you were saying is I should probably contact my dealer and ask him if they received a revised allocation amount?

That might help. Ford still says allocation estimates are "subject to change".


I think that Ford will have to give more weight to retail orders rather than just allocation for Mavericks. If they really intended for dealers to only order w/in a certain number, they should have notified dealers well in advance!

Most of the Maverick orders were "pre-ordered" with dealers months in advance. Not fair to customers or dealers to change the rules last minute.

 

[gte105u]

From what I understand from LM Tim's videos is allocations are now determined through a series of unsolvable quantum mechanics...

Interesting. I was under the impression it was managed by a computer system called Skynet. No one understands how it works as it is now so far beyond the people running it. It just kinda came into existence a couple years ago, like it was from the future or something.

Once the process is perfected, there is concern the computer will be self aware. Not sure what happens then but the software engineers are apparently worried.

 

[Old Ranchero]

Way too early for people to be concerned about Allocations - unless you have your VIN and tentative production date (likely 1st of many). Once your vehicle is selected for production your dealer will be able to see it on their visibility report and you will be able to print out your window sticker. That's how it worked for me at least. Then you can bug your dealer about why it hasn't updated status for weeks on end and discuss their allocations. Mine took about 2 months after being pulled before they had allocation and report showed was in the factory to build.

 

[Old Ranchero]

I always marvel at the amount of blatant speculative posts on this forum. I wish there was a filter to block all posts containing:

I believe...
If I am not mistaken...
I think...
My salesman said...


The SNR here is remarkably bad relative to most forums I have spent any appreciable time in. Anyways, this is complete and utter nonsense. You are completely ignoring the fact that the number of orders Ford has for Maverick hybs is far greater than their capacity to build.

So people that share unverified information that may turn out to be true after corroboration shouldn't be allowed to post here in your thinking ? Those caveats we use are to admit up front it may or may not be correct after further information becomes available, and hopefully deflect some of the hate that will come their way for not documenting sources at time of posting. You know like signing off with YMMV.

 

[minitrucknuts]

So people that share unverified information that may turn out to be true after corroboration shouldn't be allowed to post here in your thinking ? Those caveats we use are to admit up front it may or may not be correct after further information becomes available, and hopefully deflect some of the hate that will come their way for not documenting sources at time of posting. You know like signing off with YMMV.

Fair point, but I guess I am not talking about stuff that might come true. I am talking more about posts like the one I quoted, that says: ''I believe IF you got the confirmation of order email, you are in line and you may get it soon or not but you will get it.''

Anyone who has paid the slightest bit of attention knows the odds of that being true are quite remote. Like, his statement is just not tethered to reality, at all.

 

[Edrobyn]

Way too early for people to be concerned about Allocations - unless you have your VIN and tentative production date (likely 1st of many). Once your vehicle is selected for production your dealer will be able to see it on their visibility report and you will be able to print out your window sticker. That's how it worked for me at least. Then you can bug your dealer about why it hasn't updated status for weeks on end and discuss their allocations. Mine took about 2 months after being pulled before they had allocation and report showed was in the factory to build.

If this is the case would Ford even consider my order if my dealer didn’t have the allocations?

 

[Taxman100]

All I know is that I ordered my 23 Lariat hybrid on the first day, gave a $1,000 downpayment, received the confirmation e-mail, and received the 45-day notice. If Ford can not honor my order, took more orders than they can produce, and can not deliver my 23 I am done. I need a good vehicle within the year and I will be finding something elsewhere. This procedure is totally unprofessional and pure BS. I've owned 10 Fords in my lifetime and will never own another if this is the way they do business. I understand constraints and shortages but why not take orders for what you can produce and if the availability of parts improves reopen orders?

I'm there with you. I do not buy cars very often, so I am thorough when I do. I carefully planned and scheduled my appointments with the dealer so it was within the first few hours the Ford order bank was actually working. (I had to reschedule from late afternoon to the following morning on the 16th because it was not working).

I too will need something by next fall, so come around March if things still look bad, I'll have to plan on purchasing something else.

I remember going to this dealership in 1972 when my Father picked up his brand new Country Squire, so we have been ordering cars from this dealership for generations. It took six weeks in 1972, but now it takes 12-14 months for Ford to fulfill an order? That is progress!

The lack of ability shown by most American corporations to run their businesses is evident everywhere. I'm not ripping on Ford - it is simply we are no longer a meritocracy as most decisions are heavily influenced by government regulation, and politics.

 

[commadorebob]

Tim did a pretty good explainer on scheduling last night (1:04:58):

 

[MakinDoForNow]

Anyone wish Ford would have a weekly auction for one or two "ALLOCATION FOR THE DEALER OF YOUR CHOICE"?

 

[Edrobyn]

Tim did a pretty good explainer on scheduling last night (1:04:58):

Thanks! So if I understood what Tim said below is the order of importance:

1) Dealer Allocations
2)Priority Code
3)Order Date and Time Stamp
4)Constraints

I know these are interconnected but sounds like if a dealer doesn’t have an allocation Ford won’t even look further to build it regardless of the other 3 items?

 

[commadorebob]

Thanks! So if I understood what Tim said below is the order of importance:

1) Dealer Allocations
2)Priority Code
3)Order Date and Time Stamp
4)Constraints

I know these are interconnected but sounds like if a dealer doesn’t have an allocation Ford won’t even look further to build it regardless of the other 3 items?

Correct. But Constraints could just as easily be at the top. If they aren't looking at hybrids and that is all a dealer has, then it also doesn't matter how many allocations they have. That dealer won't get any trucks and Ford will give those allocations to another dealer who may not otherwise have any more allocations but has an open EB order.

But if a dealer has no allocations, they will get no trucks scheduled. Ford tries to ensure every dealer gets something as to not completely favor the largest dealers. But having an order at a larger dealer is still going to be a benefit rather than a hindrance. Even if you are in line with 300 other people.

 

[minitrucknuts]

But having an order at a larger dealer is still going to be a benefit rather than a hindrance. Even if you are in line with 300 other people.

What is the benefit of having an order at a larger dealer?

 

[Old Ranchero]

If this is the case would Ford even consider my order if my dealer didn’t have the allocations?

I think people were reading too much into early statements coming out regarding "rolling over" (converting) MY2022 unfilled orders to MY2023 and giving those a priority over "new" orders. My experience with my dealer was not that they were given a single block of guaranteed allocations in advance, but they would receive news each week - and it changes all the time. Initially they showed me they had 1 Maverick order ahead of me, and 1 after me. The 1 ahead of me eventually started actual production and that moved me to top of list. After my order was selected and changed to "in production" status I would stop by and ask if I was actually showing "in the factory" on their reports. For about 6-8 straight weeks, I got the same answer "we don't have any allocations". Eventually my sales guy texted me with news I was being built and ETA. Ford later emailed me with same info. I'm assuming allocations will be adjusted along the way, not all upfront and never changing. But I could always be wrong on that. My point was not to get fixated on allocation information UNTIL you have your VIN and don't make hasty decisions waiting for that milestone.

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