2024 Hybrids

[olderbudwiser]

All that said: one more:

Recharging the battery takes extra energy, extra gasoline, so you can think of recharging as going uphill.

Driving on electricity isn't free, it is like coasting downhill with the engine off. You just "paid in advance" to get the battery "uphill" or in this case, "up charged".

The "savings" in a hybrid come from recharging the battery when stopping INSTEAD of using brake pads. Not only can you recharge by braking going downhill, but you can recharge while braking on flat ground as well.

Your hunch is correct.
The gasoline engine in the hybrid and the gasoline engine in the EcoBoost get about the same MPG when going uphill.

But the Hybrid can "regenerate" some of that energy on the way downhill, and while slowing and stopping, and the EcoBoost can't.

Hybrids do some level of "recycling" and EcoBoosts don't.

Was that helpful?

Okay kinda. I just feel including all the elec miles into the mpg is cheating.

Understand I have no complaints. It's just when ever I fill up I subtract the elec miles to get a more representative number. of F/E. To me a big plus of the hybrid is the engine no turbo. I'd rather have a 3-4L NA engine as opposed to a 2L turbo.

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[GPSMan]

Okay kinda. I just feel including all the elec miles into the mpg is cheating.

Understand I have no complaints. It's just when ever I fill up I subtract the elec miles to get a more representative number. of F/E. To me a big plus of the hybrid is the engine no turbo. I'd rather have a 3-4L NA engine as opposed to a 2L turbo.

Charging the battery is like winding up a rubber band when you slow down. While at a stop, you're holding the rubber band pinched in place.

When you take off again, the car is letting go of that "rubber band" giving you a boost.

I call the hybrid the "battery boosted" truck, while the other is turbo boosted.

Turbo gives you more horsepower.
Battery Boosted gives you more miles per gallon.

 

[surfstar]

Okay my dash readout indicates total miles driven(380) it then indicates of the 380 total miles driven 120 miles were elec. So gas powered was 260 of the 380. I feel using total miles driven and not removing the elec miles driven is not accurate.

It is a trip meter / log - so it is stating you drove 380 miles.
Of those miles, 120 were on electric power.

If it was just a mpg readout screen, maybe it could listed engine miles vs electric miles.

 

[RAIN]

All that said: one more:

Recharging the battery takes extra energy, extra gasoline, so you can think of recharging as going uphill.

Driving on electricity isn't free, it is like coasting downhill with the engine off. You just "paid in advance" to get the battery "uphill" or in this case, "up charged".

The "savings" in a hybrid come from recharging the battery when stopping INSTEAD of using brake pads. Not only can you recharge by braking going downhill, but you can recharge while braking on flat ground as well.

Your hunch is correct.
The gasoline engine in the hybrid and the gasoline engine in the EcoBoost get about the same MPG when going uphill.

But the Hybrid can "regenerate" some of that energy on the way downhill, and while slowing and stopping, and the EcoBoost can't.

Hybrids do some level of "recycling" and EcoBoosts don't.

Was that helpful?

That's a great way to explain it. Thank you

 

[RAIN]

I definitely agree with you.

 

[OrCoaster]

So I’m sticking to my plan and being patient and waiting on my hybrid no matter how long that takes. At least that’s what I tell myself today. If my dealer called me and had a MY24 Lariat EB for MSRP available for me it would take a lot of will power to pass it over

Do not pass on the hybrid, and do not cave into a dealer tempting you with an EB for MSRP. I took delivery on a hybrid a couple of weeks ago and am amazed at seeing 51 or 57 mpg on the dash display. I know that is off a bit but it sure beats the 18 -20 I was getting with the V6 Ranger.

 

[Waterick]

Another way to think of it is to realize that the battery really gets it's energy from the ICE; either directly charging from the ICE, as result of excess speed (regen-braking) generated by the ICE, or going downhill (the ICE got you up it).

 

[OrCoaster]

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[OrCoaster]

Air conditioning costs gasoline so lowers MPG. (Southern Latitudes)

Heat for the occupants costs gasoline and lowers MPG (Northern Lattitudes)

Lucky bastards in the middle, are well, lucky and enjoy higher MPG because the gas is turning wheels not creating comfort.

You always take total miles on the odometer and divide by gallons pumped. If you idle in a parking lot to keep the passenger compartment comfortable, you'll burn gallons while putting on zero miles. So zero miles per gallon.

To do the reverse you can roll down a hill with the engine off. Both a Hybrid and an EcoBoost could do this. Electricity is not in the equation.

If the hill were two miles long you'd have infinite (or undefined) MPG.

2 miles / 0 gallons

What amused me the other day is that when I get to work I have to stop and open a gate. Doing so resets the trip meter. So when I pull forward to park, I move just far enough to have the display show me an MPG of 9999.99. I am on an electric motor moving forward so pretty close to the infinite number you note.

 

[GPSMan]

What amused me the other day is that when I get to work I have to stop and open a gate. Doing so resets the trip meter. So when I pull forward to park, I move just far enough to have the display show me an MPG of 9999.99. I am on an electric motor moving forward so pretty close to the infinite number you note.

I forgot Lariats do that reset thing.
I don't know why. Do you like that?
XL and XLT don't.
I think that would drive me nuts.

 

[mcc63303]

How does anyone get a actual 600 miles to a tank??? If I drive around the Costco parking lot after gassing up I get 999.9 mpg. But most of my driving is 45-70mph. So 600 miles per tank. Uhhhhhh really???
I suppose if one really never goes over 40 mph it could happen.
A few times my calculated mpg, miles divided by gallons comes out high 20's to low thirties. 600 miles lol never in my lifetime.

My 2022 Hybrid gets a solid 45-47mpg (normal mode), most of it in town under 50mph. Level road at 50-55mph and it will go into electric for awhile. Hiway 70-80 mph will get around 32mpg. 600 miles per tank is common, I'm not sure what you're doing to get 20-30mpg. Heck, my 57 Chevy with 454ci dual quad and 513 rear gears will get 20mpg around town.

 

[olderbudwiser]

Sounds like I have a POS then. Since I subtract the elec miles from the total miles I only get 28-30 mpg. No complains by the way. Elec miles are free. Any amount of gasoline to run your engine over and above region or normal gas engine driving is probably negligible.
I suppose if someone towed you for 50 miles you would add those miles in to get even higher F/E.

I am only interested what my F/E is while the gas engine is operating. Not bonus miles.

 

[Snipersvt]

I ordered an XLT hybrid on the day the order bank opened in July, and it is scheduled to be built the week before Christmas.

Ordered mine July 17th.. lariat hybrid with black package... no build date yet

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