2024 Hybrids

[HybXLT]

I don't ever NOT get 600 miles per tank, unless a trailer is behind me.

Maybe your right foot is broken?


600+ almost every time.
700+ 3 times
800 1 time (zero highway 100% city)

Yes, same here. In 7,800 miles I don't think I ever got less than 600 miles to a tank doing normal commuting in town mixed with highway traffic.

Did 700 once or twice, but never 800.

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[olderbudwiser]

I don't ever NOT get 600 miles per tank, unless a trailer is behind me.

Maybe your right foot is broken?


600+ almost every time.
700+ 3 times
800 1 time (zero highway 100% city)

I drive normal just like I have for 60 plus years. Right foot on th throttle. Push it down to posted speed. No silly games watching the needle to keep it in the green. Thats just lame. I was on the hi way to day. 75 plus. Guarantee I'm not getting 600 miles lol. My city driving in all 40+ mph. except in subdivision.

I assure you 600 miles is not possible in my area. Usually 400-440

 

[olderbudwiser]

I got ~ 575 mi on my last tank. My commute is mainly city but on that tank I had more fwy than normal. Still took 3 weeks between fill ups . Love it!
Oh, also we are finally cooling off here in Houston and that has obviously helped with the mpgs.

Try subtracting the elec miles from the total miles then divide that by gallons pumped. let us know if its still 42mph

 

[olderbudwiser]

I get 41 mpg x13.8 gallon tank driving from Florida to Tennessee with the wind at my back . That’s 565 miles per tank . I could get 600 if I drove mostly city driving . I live 2 miles to Kroger from my house . Going there and back I use .8 miles on gas , 1.2 on Electric since it’s 45mph speed limit . It’s all relative to city , highway driving . I also don’t drive more than 5mph over the speed limit

Real mpg is zero elec miles usage. When Im driving 70 plus my REAL mpg is high 20-low30

 

[GPSMan]

I drive normal just like I have for 60 plus years. Right foot on th throttle. Push it down to posted speed. No silly games watching the needle to keep it in the green. Thats just lame. I was on the hi way to day. 75 plus. Guarantee I'm not getting 600 miles lol. My city driving in all 40+ mph. except in subdivision.

I assure you 600 miles is not possible in my area. Usually 400-440

Now sad.

 

[GPSMan]

Real mpg is zero elec miles usage. When Im driving 70 plus my REAL mpg is high 20-low30

No. That is flawed logic.

You get FEWER electric miles at 70 MPH and maybe zero electric miles at 70 MPH in some conditions.

The real miles per gallon is always total miles the vehicle moved divided by gallons put in at the pump. Period.

There is no plug
There is no additional source of energy.
100% of the miles came from gasoline.
This is definitive. It is irrefutable.

 

[olderbudwiser]

No. That is flawed logic.

You get FEWER electric miles at 70 MPH and maybe zero electric miles at 70 MPH in some conditions.

The real miles per gallon is always total miles the vehicle moved divided by gallons put in at the pump. Period.

There is no plug
There is no additional source of energy.
100% of the miles came from gasoline.
This is definitive. It is irrefutable.

Ok you win

When my total miles driven are 300 and it says you drove 100 elec miles I should use the 300 as the number to caculate my actual MPG/gasoline usage or the 200?

I just wonder why my FE is high 20's to low'30's, Mind you I get about 450-470 miles per fill up but that includes any elec miles. Eliminating the elec miles I get lower actual gasoline powered FE.

 

[GPSMan]

Air conditioning costs gasoline so lowers MPG. (Southern Latitudes)

Heat for the occupants costs gasoline and lowers MPG (Northern Lattitudes)

Lucky bastards in the middle, are well, lucky and enjoy higher MPG because the gas is turning wheels not creating comfort.

You always take total miles on the odometer and divide by gallons pumped. If you idle in a parking lot to keep the passenger compartment comfortable, you'll burn gallons while putting on zero miles. So zero miles per gallon.

To do the reverse you can roll down a hill with the engine off. Both a Hybrid and an EcoBoost could do this. Electricity is not in the equation.

If the hill were two miles long you'd have infinite (or undefined) MPG.

2 miles / 0 gallons

 

[aivanov61]

Based on what the @fordvideoguy says on his YouTube channel, I am confident my hybrid order will get built this model year. I am telling myself that it may likely be May or June by the time I get it but I do think it will be built. For what it’s worth, I had an opportunity to buy a Lariat EB Tremor. But it was marked up a little over 2k from MSRP (which was a lower markup than many dealers) and I have almost changed my hybrid order to an EB. Both situations I was tempted for the same reason as you. But after thinking through it, and disregarding the excitement I felt on getting one sooner, I came to the conclusion that what I really want is a hybrid. I don’t need towing capability. I want the best gas mileage I can get as I feel gas prices are just going increase. So I’m sticking to my plan and being patient and waiting on my hybrid no matter how long that takes. At least that’s what I tell myself today. If my dealer called me and had a MY24 Lariat EB for MSRP available for me it would take a lot of will power to pass it over

Good for you! I like it when I see people choosing to delay gratification.

I chose the same...I ordered my MY23 on Sept 16, 2022 - I didn't get VIN until July13, 2023 with production during week of Sept 18. On Aug 23, I had to forego my MY23 and put in a MY24 order because the dealer failed to mention that I could not upgrade from base CP360 to CP360 Assist, but that it had to be ordered with Assist. Fortunately they were willing to put the order in at higher priority. I got my MY24 VIN on Oct 12 with production during week of Dec 11. I will likely not see the vehicle until Jan 2024. I had lots of hiccups providing opportunities to rethink my order, but after letting those feelings pass for a day or two or three, it just made sense to me to be patient. There are no other comparable hybrid trucks on the market (entry-level pricing, hybrid, >40MPG, standard luxury features on Lariat)!

 

[Stevezilla]

2023 hybrid here. I average 580-600 miles per tank. High speed -- anything over 65 mph on the interstate -- kills my mpg. I feel like a gas hog if I get below 44 mpg.

 

[olderbudwiser]

Can someone explain in a logical simple manner (I'm not smart) how to calculated gas fuel economy when you drive a total of 420 miles and but have used 140 elec miles. Is the calculation gallons used divided into 420 or 280???

I would use the 280 to calculate the actual FE my hybrid using the engine.
To me fuel economy and range are 2 separate items.

 

[SloopJB]

Hey David.....we bought our 23 hybrid for the same reasons.....great daily drive and want to pull it behind our Navion. I have not set it up yet, but want to know what setup will you go with to use it as a toad? Happy travels. Michael from AZ.

I bought a used tow dolly from U-haul, without disk brakes. I bought a disk brake kit from trailer and installed it. ( Not difficult). Recently I towed our front wheel drive BMW 228i on a lengthy trip behind our Winnebago View (Sprinter chassis) and all went well. We have a 24 Mav hybrid on order which surprisingly is only 1/2” narrower than the BMW. So we intend to tow the Mav that way. The surge brake system works great

 

[GPSMan]

Can someone explain in a logical simple manner (I'm not smart) how to calculated gas fuel economy when you drive a total of 420 miles and but have used 140 elec miles. Is the calculation gallons used divided into 420 or 280???

I would use the 280 to calculate the actual FE my hybrid using the engine.
To me fuel economy and range are 2 separate items.

YOU DO 420 MILES DIVIDED BY GALLONS USED.

I've used 8.88 gallons.
My needle (sorry I missed it in the shot) is showing 3/8 Full.

I calibrated my average fuel economy screen using engineer test mode so it matches pumped gas very closely now.

I traveled 423.6 miles so far, after refueling.

423.6 mikes divided by 8.88 gallons = 47.7 MPG.

Miles traveled divided by gallons used is all you need to do. It is not different than any other car.

Having an electric battery pack and an electric motor is not part of the equation. Electric miles are not part of the equation. Think of electric miles as driving downhill. Do you deduct downhill miles from your other cars?

You shouldn't and I don't think you do. Because how did you get uphill before driving downhill? Unless you purchased the vehicle on top of that hill, you had to burn twice the gas to go up, then had great gas mileage going downhill, and overall; you had a normal MPG for the round trip.

 

[GPSMan]

Can someone explain in a logical simple manner (I'm not smart) how to calculated gas fuel economy when you drive a total of 420 miles and but have used 140 elec miles. Is the calculation gallons used divided into 420 or 280???

I would use the 280 to calculate the actual FE my hybrid using the engine.
To me fuel economy and range are 2 separate items.

All that said: one more:

Recharging the battery takes extra energy, extra gasoline, so you can think of recharging as going uphill.

Driving on electricity isn't free, it is like coasting downhill with the engine off. You just "paid in advance" to get the battery "uphill" or in this case, "up charged".

The "savings" in a hybrid come from recharging the battery when stopping INSTEAD of using brake pads. Not only can you recharge by braking going downhill, but you can recharge while braking on flat ground as well.

Your hunch is correct.
The gasoline engine in the hybrid and the gasoline engine in the EcoBoost get about the same MPG when going uphill.

But the Hybrid can "regenerate" some of that energy on the way downhill, and while slowing and stopping, and the EcoBoost can't.

Hybrids do some level of "recycling" and EcoBoosts don't.

Was that helpful?

 

[olderbudwiser]

YOU DO 420 MILES DIVIDED BY GALLONS USED.

I've used 8.88 gallons.
My needle (sorry I missed it in the shot) is showing 3/8 Full.

I calibrated my average fuel economy screen using engineer test mode so it matches pumped gas very closely now.

I traveled 423.6 miles so far, after refueling.

423.6 mikes divided by 8.88 gallons = 47.7 MPG.

Miles traveled divided by gallons used is all you need to do. It is not different than any other car.

Having an electric battery pack and an electric motor is not part of the equation. Electric miles are not part of the equation. Think of electric miles as driving downhill. Do you deduct downhill miles from your other cars?

You shouldn't and I don't think you do. Because how did you get uphill before driving downhill? Unless you purchased the vehicle on top of that hill, you had to burn twice the gas to go up, then had great gas mileage going downhill, and overall; you had a normal MPG for the round trip.

Okay my dash readout indicates total miles driven(380) it then indicates of the 380 total miles driven 120 miles were elec. So gas powered was 260 of the 380. I feel using total miles driven and not removing the elec miles driven is not accurate.

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