2.0 EcoBoost engine -- overall feedback?

[Blue_Max]

FAST and I use mine to pull my Cortina race with no trouble at all.

Cortina?! What year (or at least generation)?

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[AlpineKid74]

i put a livernois 87-93 tune on mine and love it. it GOES when i punch it. shifts much smoother. i love this truck

Called Livernois about the tune for 2025. They are going to be working on that. They are still ironing out the tune for the 2024. Something about Ford doing something with the computer. Getting into the computer & tweaking is harder. Hope they can get it figured out.
The same goes for Banks Power. They have to get a vehicle first.
Oh well.

 

[AlpineKid74]

Heck the Mav hybrid is as quick as your current minivan (isn't that a 3.6L also?). The 2.0 Mav will be faster.

On the other hand, if someone couldn't merge into traffic with an older Prius that goes 0-60 in 10 sec - it's on the driver, IMO. Any modern day vehicle is plenty fast. I think that the people that fail at this just don't know how to "floor it" - sounds like you'll be fine with either Mav engine.

Yes the Caravan has the 3.6.
I agree about "floor it", they are after the fuel mileage instead of get out of the way.

 

[AlpineKid74]

My 2.0 has plenty of power maybe more on mine since I have the 4k tow package and that gives you a lower dif ratio for even more power. 0 to 60 in under 6 seconds if not loaded down. I have 23k miles on my 23 and 5k oil changes and no problems so far.

Do not now if you know this, but I got this when I clicked on the link in your post.

And ours is coming with the 4K tow also. I was looking for the better cooling.

 

[AlpineKid74]

When you say van and dodge 3.5 V6, is it safe to assume you have a 2004-2010 Pacifica van with the SOHC 3.5 engine? That engine makes 250 hp at 6,500 rpm and 250 lb ft torque at 4,400 rpm.

With the ecoboost, you have about a second of turbo lag, but once the turbo is spun up, it makes 277 lb/ft of torque at 3,000 rpm and 250 hp at 5,500 rpm. The result is that you get more torque down low and you don’t have to rev it nearly as high to get the amount of desired power.

Then, when you compare the power to weight ratio of the 3,800 lb Maverick to the 4,400 lb Pacifica, the Maverick is going to be objectively faster in every metric and that low rpm torque is going to make it feel a lot peppier than the Pacifica.

On your question about deceleration, a 2.0 liter engine will have less engine braking than a 3.5. And you do not get full manual control over the Maverick transmission, so you can’t pick downshifts. But there is an “L” button for “low” on the shifter. That will attempt to get you into low gear and hold you in low gear until you turn it off. It is not super aggressive in its downshifting, it it will give you 5-6 downshifts on a typical off ramp.

We have been driving this 2015 Dodge Grand Caravan since 2018 I think.
When I have had to "floor it", sometimes there is a lag, then it takes off.
The weight difference will be noticeable at first, I am thinking.
Cannot wait for it to get here. Watch, we will have a snow storm around that time.
Oh, well.

 

[AlpineKid74]

The Maverick has plenty of power. You will have no problem doing this.


The older Ecoboost had less head gasket area between the coolant passage way and the cylinders in the area between the cylinders. But the newer ones have a closed deck between the cylinders, Ford drilled a hole in the block for coolant not cutting a line in the deck. This change happened a few years before the maverick went in to production. so not a problem.

In the past this was a no, as the Maverick did not have paddle shifters. There was the low gear button that can kinda do this but I have not been happy with the results. For 2025 the Termor and the Lobo get paddle shifters. I have a older Termor now, this added feature is almost getting me to upgrade but I dont drive the truck everyday and my wife does not care about this.

If your driving in a hilly area and want low gear to slowdown, tow/hall mode works well, push the brake pedal twice and the truck down shifts.

Overall my Maverick and been great, nothing has broken and I have had no problems. It is very comfortable and gets good MPG.

This is good info & will give me/us some incite of what to expect.

 

[Phimosis]

We have been driving this 2015 Dodge Grand Caravan since 2018 I think.
When I have had to "floor it", sometimes there is a lag, then it takes off.
The weight difference will be noticeable at first, I am thinking.
Cannot wait for it to get here. Watch, we will have a snow storm around that time.
Oh, well.

Yeah, 2016 caravan has the 3.6 liter DOHC engine. That’s 283 hp @ 6,400 rpm and 260 lb/ft tq @ 4,400, so a little more power and torque than the 3.5 liter. I had a 3.6 pentastar in a jeep wrangler. It pulled well, but you need two downshifts to get from cruising rpm to 4,400 rpm, where it hits it torque peak and the engine really starts to pull. With the Maverick, it is only one downshift to 3,000 rpm to hit peak torque and have the engine fully lit. Overall, I like the very fat, low rpm torque band that the ecoboost has, compared to an N/A V6. The only dislike is the turbo lag. And if I’m real honest, the 2.0 Maverick turbo lag is not as bad as an Audi Q4 2.0 turbo or VW golf.

 

[Richard2212]

Sport mode is what I use in those types of situations. I normally run in eco and switch to sport when coming upon an area where I know that I will need to be able to react quickly. Sport mode keeps the rpms higher to ensure the turbo is spooled and ready. Throttle response is much quicker as it rarely needs to downshift. It usually already is in the correct gear.

If you don't have time to change driving modes, then make sure to floor it. It'll downshift and scoot. If you don't give it max pedal it might lethargically accelerate in ECO and refuse to change gears.

My personal experience is that the 2.0L Turbo with Auto Trans is a real mover. Great acceleration and normal engine breaking.
Test drive one and you will be impressed.

 

[Propane Burning Man]

Interestingly enough, when going downhill with the cruise control on, the truck will start engine/tranny braking when you hit 5 mph over the set speed. Even in ECO.

My 2015 Transit does the same thing. I have to remember to pause cruise when going down hill if it is a steep grade. RPM's will start approaching redline on steep grade if I am not paying attention. Crazy Ford has that programed in.

 

[Nw_adventure]

22k On My 22/FX4/4K-TOW- Recently added the S/B intake and just loving it - Wakes the motor up, more punch, a little more grrrr and such- No problem with the Autobahn here in Utah with on/ramps and Mad/Max type drivers -)

 

[colinl]

Overall, I like the very fat, low rpm torque band that the ecoboost has, compared to an N/A V6. The only dislike is the turbo lag. And if I’m real honest, the 2.0 Maverick turbo lag is not as bad as an Audi Q4 2.0 turbo or VW golf.

several people have told you it isn't turbo lag, it's the transmission. you aren't listening so I'll show you. this is how fast it makes full boost.

cruising in 4th gear, full throttle let's call it 5.6 seconds of the log (first column) and about 4 psi boost. this is a pain on my tablet so forgive the sloppy work.

my truck hits 20 psi in under a second (row 89). about 150 milliseconds after that, it downshifts from 4th to 3rd.

your truck might not do exactly this even in sport drive mode with premium fuel. but whatever you're perceiving is not turbo lag. there is effectively none.

 

[Johnny maverick]

Turbo lag? Drive a Saab 99 turbo I'll show you lag. I've owned several turbo vehicles over the years. Saabs shelbys rx7s kawasaki gpz yamaha Seca. The twin scroll lag is almost undetectable compared. Also the Maverick's 2.0 torque starts around 1700 rpm and flattens out around 3k. The thing has more power than just about every v8 in the 80s.

 

[Superg0]

There are not many trucks that can 0-60 in under 6 seconds. Those that can will cost you twice as much as a Mav

 

[Snox801]

Called Livernois about the tune for 2025. They are going to be working on that. They are still ironing out the tune for the 2024. Something about Ford doing something with the computer. Getting into the computer & tweaking is harder. Hope they can get it figured out.
The same goes for Banks Power. They have to get a vehicle first.
Oh well.

They will have it done in no time.
Livernois has had the 24 done for a while now. I have 34k miles on my 24 times by Livernois.

 

[Snox801]

No. Off idle they always increase lag. Some of the power has to get diverted to spool up the turbo. Are you telling me that my lived experience is somehow wrong? Particularly when I have other non turbo vehicles that do no experience that lag.

Ford has certainly tuned things so as not to overstress the transmission but there is no need to do so at low rpms. The curves clearly show the torque is no where near the limits for the trans in that range. A turbo I-4 simply does not produce much power at the low end - they shine when it revs up. Everything is a trade off.

Why is this fact so hard for people to grasp?

Yes you are wrong. Turbos do not rob power to make power. They are not super chargers. They don’t need to take power to make power. Lag is just the amount of time it take from throttle input to the time it takes to make boost. Is lag a real thing yes. Is it a real thing with a tiny turbo we have in these trucks no.
Not in the sense of lag you are trying to describe. What you are more that likely feeling is the tuning. As other have stated the time it take to go from 0-18psi is almost instant. Maybe 1 second. That is not what most would call lag. What you are feeling is fords trq per gear. They limit the power in the first few gears as to help drivability and ease on gear box.
What they do is limit the amount of power being made with boost and timing as to not have a massive amount of power sent the instant the turbo lights up.
This is proven by the fact anyone who has tuned the ecoboost knows they can hit the throttle and power is very fast. Fast enough that my wife’s 2.0 edge tuned can chirp the tires on a launch being awd like our maverick.
It’s either trans tuning or fords power per gear you feel not lag.
What I find hard to grasp is the fact that you simply don’t seem to have ever tuned or looked at the data coming from a tuning session to know what you are feeling as lag. The fact the is making a vast amount of its power by 2k rpm when 1200 is the staring point for a launch tells me it’s making boost right off the line. And lots of boost before 2 k. That’s not considered lag.

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