2025 Maverick Hybrid AWD drivetrain details?

[ejouie]

There's really no reason to have engineered for a second battery; it doesn't "solve" anything to do so. More battery capacity wouldn't make the hybrid system more efficient to be worth the aforementioned engineering complexity it introduces. Unless you're talking a PHEV, but then you need a battery an order of magnitude larger.

I was thinking more for low speed off roading stuff where the instant torque would be appreciated. Battery would last a long while in that use case. Doing it this way allows for the Tremor AWD unit to be fed by instant torque, with minimal re-engineering.

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[Darnon]

I certainly could've written that better. What I'm wondering is what are the structural differences between the HF45 and HF55. I know the HF55 would have an output for the driveshaft but beyond that, the power output looks to be the same.

So, are the internals beefed up or is it just an HF45 with an output shaft? That is what I'm getting at. Just curious really. I know there is someone here who regularly tows a FWD with >2000 lbs and he's had good success doing so. I admit I probably won't ever do so, but would like to know what went into the design change besides AWD (if any).

The output shaft isn't part of the transmission proper. The transmission to the rear axle is accomplished via an external Power Takeoff Unit that bolts onto it. The HF45 is mechanically already capable of that.

 

[inline_five]

The output shaft isn't part of the transmission proper. The transmission to the rear axle is accomplished via an external Power Takeoff Unit that bolts onto it. The HF45 is mechanically already capable of that.

Interesting, thanks, I'm not well versed in AWD/4WD components.

 

[MarkLally]

I'm wondering what Ford did to the HF55 to make it able to tow 4000 lbs. I know the hybrid AWD now comes with more cooling, but the specs of the HF55 are identical to the HF45 as far as power output goes (or maybe they derated it for the Maverick AWD) and I'm wondering if the rest of the internals are the same. Would be interesting to know.

I have to admit I feel a little FOMO having the FWD hybrid now.

The HF55 is used in the 2024 Lincoln Nautilus Hybrid AWD attached to a 2.0 Ecoboost with a total combined 310 HP, so it should be damn near bullet proof with 191 HP. I believe the 2000lb limitation of the FWD mavericks is more of a traction thing, that's why ford dropped the EB FWD 4K package in 22 before production had actually started and upgraded anyone who had ordered a EB FWD 4K package to AWD for free.

 

[Automate]

Curious, what makes you think Ford needed to do something to the HF55 to tow 4K?

The HF55 is used the the 2024 Lincoln Nautilus Hybrid AWD attached to a 2.0 Ecoboost with a total combined 310 HP, so it should be damn near bullet proof with 191 HP. I believe the 2000lb limitation of the FWD mavericks is more of a traction thing, that's why ford dropped the EB FWD 4K package in 22 before production had actually started and upgraded anyone who had ordered a EB FWD 4K package to AWD for free.

I think it was more that Ford wanted to limit the build configurations and not build both a FWD high-tow and a AWD 4K. They also want to upsell the AWD to more users just like some options are only available on upper trim level.

There are plently of FWD vehicles which tow more than 2K. The Lexus R450, Honda Pilot and the Maverick's most direct competion, the Hyundai Santa Cruz all have FWDs rated for 3500 lbs towing.

 

[Darnon]

There are plently of FWD vehicles which tow more than 2K. The Lexus R450, Honda Pilot and the Maverick's most direct competion, the Hyundai Santa Cruz all have FWDs rated for 3500 lbs towing.

Different companies can have different engineering margins for their capability rating. The Honda and Lexus are curbing almost half a ton heavier. And while I don't know about the 3.5k, I've heard the higher 5k-capable rating on the Santa Cruz is over-generous.

 

[Automate]

Different companies can have different engineering margins for their capability rating. The Honda and Lexus are curbing almost half a ton heavier. And while I don't know about the 3.5k, I've heard the higher 5k-capable rating on the Santa Cruz is over-generous.

I agree different companies have different engineering margins. But we also know Ford likes to bundle options and upsale. I think they were both factors in Ford's decision.

Ford dropping the FWD EB for 2025 is another example of this.

 

[Montauk]

Also there’s the rear suspension for the FWD maverick which may not be rated to handle the lateral stresses from towing that much. The AWD rear suspension is definitely up to it.

 

[Automate]

Also there’s the rear suspension for the FWD maverick which may not be rated to handle the lateral stresses from towing that much. The AWD rear suspension is definitely up to it.

The lateral forces of 1500 lbs in the bed going around a turn are going to be higher than towing 4K.

The Hybrid AWD is only rated for 1,400 lbs in the bed.

Only about 10% of the trailer weight rides on the hitch.

 

[Darnon]

The lateral forces of 1500 lbs in the bed going around a turn are going to be higher than towing 4K.

Only about 10% of the trailer weight rides on the hitch.

Tongue weight only measures load down due to gravity when resting. The forces the trailer exerts on the tow vehicle when in motion are a whole other kettle of inertial fish.

 

[Automate]

Tongue weight only measures load down due to gravity when resting. The forces the trailer exerts on the tow vehicle when in motion are a whole other kettle of inertial fish.

Yes but they should be proportional, the wheels of the trailer its self should taking about 90% of the side load.

Besides the Hybrid AWD is rated for 100 lbs less carrying capacity than the FWD. Its not the suspension.

 

[Darnon]

Besides the Hybrid AWD is rated for 100 lbs less carrying capacity than the FWD. Its not the suspension.

That's because of the weight of the extra components for the AWD system. The 1500 lb payload is only an average number on paper; in practice it's the GVWR minus the actual curb weight. Most AWD EcoBoosts aren't going to hit it and my Lariat Hybrid just falls shy.

 

[Automate]

That's because of the weight of the extra components for the AWD system. The 1500 lb payload is only an average number on paper; in practice it's the GVWR minus the actual curb weight. Most AWD EcoBoosts aren't going to hit it and my Lariat Hybrid just falls shy.

Right, but it shows the FWD rear suspension can carry a load just as well or better than the AWD. In general simplier suspensions can carry more load. That's why most full size trucks use solid rear axles.

 

[Darnon]

Right, but it shows the FWD rear suspension can carry a load just a well or better than the AWD. In general simplier suspensions can carry more load. That's why most full size trucks use solid rear axles.

Depends. The FWD rear suspension could be called 'too simple' in that it lacks a panhard bar or watt's link for lateral locating.

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