Copilot 360 question

[Stevospeedo]

Your "statistically" is taken out of context. Lets go straight to source the IIHS.

Lets start with, "IIHS-affiliated Highway Loss Data Institute and other research indicate that ACC may lower crash risk."

Now lets look at, “ACC does have some safety benefits, but it’s important to consider how drivers might cancel out these benefits by misusing the system,” says IIHS Statistician Sam Monfort, the lead author of the paper. “Speed at impact is among the most important factors in whether or not a crash turns out to be fatal.”

So the context is that if the system is miss used (speeding and what the article was about) then yes there is a 10% increase but not from using the ACC but from speeding while using ACC.

Thats two different sources from the article that says there are safety benefits when using ACC properly.

https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/adaptive-cruise-control-spurs-drivers-to-speed

Good so you agree with me, that people are more likely to misuse the system and die. Glad we cleared that up. The insurance industry already knows this which is why you don't get a discount for having it. It is not a safety feature. I am sure the legal profession would love to sue you when you cause a crash while using it as well.

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[Darksider]

Its the same as a gun. The gun alone is not dangerous. Its the people using it that might make it dangerous.

So the question is do we blame the gun (ACC) or do we blame the people using it?

 

[Stevospeedo]

Its the same as a gun. The gun alone is not dangerous. Its the people using it that might make it dangerous.

So the question is do we blame the gun (ACC) or do we blame the people using it?

If not a human, what would be using a gun or a truck?

 

[DryHeat]

You are statistically speaking 10% more likely to be involved in a fatal crash when using ACC.

I don't have a dog in this fight. I don't have ACC and won't be getting it. But I found the study I think you are relying on and it was pretty hard for me to make sense of. Speeding behavior while using adaptive cruise control and lane centering (iihs.org) (This is not the article, it is the actual study.)

The authors say that "the raw increase in speed associated with ACC and Pilot Assist use was only about 1 mph," but then they ran that through some kind of crash estimate equation and predicted that would result in 10% more fatal crashes. (This is a predicted increase, not an observed increase.) But they reference another analysis that says raising the speed limit on freeways by 5 mph only increased fatalities by 8.5%. Hard to figure.

They also made this "both-sides-of-the-mouth" observation:

We found that drivers who speed while using ACC also tended to speed while controlling the vehicle manually, and so it is possible that a driver who is prevented from speeding by vehicle automation will not ultimately be deterred. If automated speed and headway control has a net positive effect on crash risk, a return to manual control may (ironically) increase crash risk compared to a less restrictive system.

Whatever that means...

 

[Darksider]

Exactly, so when someone miss uses a product that is a safety device, we dont blame the device. Now if the device say ACC actually causes 10 percent more fatalities when used properly then we blame the device.

 

[ColoradoShooter]

I’ve never owned a vehicle with all these safety features like the Maverick. I ordered a Lariat w/Lux pkg and Co Pilot 360 and I’m looking forward to using the technological safety advancements since my 05 Tacoma was built. These systems can’t/won’t replace an alert, responsible driver but it certainly won’t hurt having an extra set of eyes that won’t make reverse inhale noises when a car changes lanes in front of me….

 

[Stevospeedo]

Exactly, so when someone miss uses a product that is a safety device, we dont blame the device. Now if the device say ACC actually causes 10 percent more fatalities when used properly then we blame the device.

No a human is always supposed to be in charge of driving the vehicle. The human is always responsible. This is the law. You can't blame your ACC or radar mirrors. You are to blame if you cause an accident. And if you end up killing someone that is manslaughter. You are responsible for the death of another human being.

 

[Headdead]

No a human is always supposed to be in charge of driving the vehicle. The human is always responsible. This is the law. You can't blame your ACC or radar mirrors. You are to blame if you cause an accident. And if you end up killing someone that is manslaughter. You are responsible for the death of another human being.

Of course a driver is responsible for controlling his car. Even Elon admits that. But driving north on I75 yesterday a pickup started slowly drifting into my lane. No big deal, it happens frequently, but because I was paying attention I was able to move over and avoid contact. Maybe she was tired or tipsy. Or distracted. But if she had been driving a Maverick with CP360 at that moment, she would not have put me in danger.

 

[imboden013]

It’s a bit annoying to have to buy the lariat with lux package to get some things that should be standard safety features like reverse sensing system. Another thing is the lack of auto dimming rear view mirror, can’t even get that. I’d gladly give up my sliding rear window, I never use it, for rear window with a defroster.

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