The Maverick is not yours until it is.

[Mav_RICK]

After being here awhile one thing I notice is people feel that when they place a Maverick order they are ordering their Maverick. In reality we are picking the features we want in a Maverick and putting in a request for an allocation that fits that request at a dealership that hopefully will get that allocation. It’s not our Maverick until we drive it off the lot and then often times it’s not exactly the one we originally ordered because changes were made so that Ford might pick it to be built. There is nothing in that system that should tell you that’s “ my truck”.

So while waiting for a Maverick that is still not my Maverick I have my wife’s Corolla Cross hybrid in shipment. How is it that this is her Corolla Cross hybrid but the Maverick is not my Maverick you may ask?

Originally we got in a line at three dealerships for an allocation. No special order here. When we came up in line at one dealership and the build did not meet what we wanted. We passed on that allocation. We waited for an allocation of a build that met what we wanted. When one did come up that met what we wanted we took it and then payed a deposit on that allocation. Then and only when it was finally built could we call it our car because at that point we contracted, made our trade and paid for our car and that’s before it even ships.

I personally think Ford would do themselves a huge favor by going with a similar system.

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[SLINGSHOT]

Tell us about the Cross. I have told my local dealer that if he can find a front wheel drive XLE in Celestite, to call me. The Ford dealer can have the Maverick I ordered.

 

[Mav_RICK]

Tell us about the Cross. I have told my local dealer that if he can find a front wheel drive XLE in Celestite, to call me. The Ford dealer can have the Maverick I ordered.

The first thing I would tell you is that you want the hybrid because it has more HP and yet gets much better gas milage. They are just now being allocated to dealerships so you have to get in line. I do think if you have a trade the dealership wants it may help you with your spot in the line but I'm not sure about that. I definitely believe it helped us. I just think the Toyota way of dealing with a new high demand model makes more sense and that was the main point of my post. I don't see the Corolla Cross Hybrid as a competitor with the Maverick. I do think however that anyone interested in a Maverick hybrid would see much value in this new model as well.

 

[Mav_RICK]

Tell us about the Cross. I have told my local dealer that if he can find a front wheel drive XLE in Celestite, to call me. The Ford dealer can have the Maverick I ordered.

The hybrid version of the Cross XLE would be a XSE.

 

[SLINGSHOT]

They want my trade in. 2017 RAV4 XEL.

 

[campngolf]

Whose insurance is providing coverage for "your" vehicle that you've paid for but hasn't shipped yet? Is there special pre-delivery insurance?

 

[Mav_RICK]

They want my trade in. 2017 RAV4 XEL.

Yes probably so. In my case when an allocation came up that closely met what we wanted we took it and payed $1000 down but now it is built so we have already made our trade and contracted for the car. The dealership gave us a loaner to drive while we wait for our Cross to come in.

 

[abeccar]

I can only imagine the disappointment of whoever was waiting for this truck... he thought he had it... and them... Arizona car train derailment...

 

[Mav_RICK]

If the Cross was damaged like in a derailment then the carrier would insure the vehicle and then yes we would have to wait on another vehicle. There is no bank interest in this because we paid cash but you would be paying interest while waiting on delivery if you financed.

 

[Mav_RICK]

I can only imagine the disappointment of whoever was waiting for this truck... he thought he had it... and them... Arizona car train derailment...

That has happened to some MTC members.

 

[JimParker256]

Let me get this straight: if you HAD put down a deposit on the Maverick order, you think it WOULD be "your" Maverick? Nope. And the same is true for the Corolla your wife ordered... I'm not a lawyer, but IIRC the "business law" courses I took for my degree, unless you have a purchase agreement signed by both parties, with ALL the terms and conditions clearly stated, it's not "your" vehicle. Even if you do, it is technically not your vehicle - you just have an enforceable contract where the dealer has agreed to sell you a vehicle equipped a certain way to you (at some point in time) for the stated price.

Just placing a deposit along with an order does NOTHING to convey ownership. Since the dealer doesn't own the vehicle until it arrives at their lot, how could they possibly convey ownership of that asset to you? Here's a quick "reality check" for you: Can you insure the vehicle through a normal automotive policy? If not - you don't own the vehicle yet.

In point of fact, if your dealership filled out a COVP, that Ford Maverick order IS "associated" with you. Nope, you still don't own it, but the dealership has made a commitment (non-binding on either party's side) to order and sell that vehicle to you. Technically, there's nothing to stop the dealership from getting "your" order in, and selling it to anyone they choose. We've had several documented cases of that here in the forum.

What is HUGELY different between the way Toyota handles "orders" and how Ford handles orders is this: Toyota builds what they want to build, and vehicles are allocated to the regional distributorships, who in turn allocate those to the dealers within their territory. When you place an "order" with a Toyota dealer, you are telling them "Please look for a vehicle equipped similarly to the way I prefer, and in the color (or more commonly - one of these three colors that I can live with), and let me know when it arrives.

Ford actually allows you (the customer) to request a special-order from your dealership, and they will build EXACTLY the vehicle the dealership orders for you. Unless you (or more accurately - your dealer) makes a change to your order, you SHOULD receive exactly what you ordered. That is, of course, assuming "normal times" and vehicles that are established in production. The Maverick has many constraints that maya prevent your particular vehicle from being built. But Ford (the company) will absolutely NOT change anything in your order to be able to deliver "something" to your dealer. You'll either get what you ordered, or not get anything at all. (See plenty of folks still waiting on their XL Mavericks with trailer hitch...)

Your Toyota (or Mazda/Honda/Subaru/Hyundai/Kia/etc.) dealer will find something in the delivery queue that is "close" to what you ordered, and offer it to you. If you refuse it, they go on to the next person in the waiting list, and so on... The factory absolutely does NOT custom-build cars to order. There isn't even a mechanism in existence for placing such an order.

We can debate all day about which approach is better, but if you want a "unicorn" vehicle (some combination of features that is unique to your needs) you have ZERO chance of getting that from the Pacific Rim manufacturers, who "pre-decide" what combinations they will build. In contract, you have a fairly decent chance – subject to order-guide and supply-chain limitations, of course – of (eventually) getting it from Ford, GM, or Chrysler.

 

[Mav_RICK]

The main reason I like this model is that Toyota gives the dealership an allocation for something they can build. You tell the dealership what is the minimum you require and if you are up next in line at that dealership and the build meets your needs then and only then do you make a deposit. No need to later change your order hoping you get picked in the next run.

 

[710-oil-614]

Then and only when it was finally built could we call it our car because at that point we contracted, made our trade and paid for our car and that’s before it even ships.

I personally think Ford would do themselves a huge favor by going with a similar system.

Abso-f'ing-lutely not!

I would NEVER give up possession of my existing vehicle and pay for a new vehicle before it even ships, that is insanity.

I'm glad it worked out for you.

For would benefit from a model like Tesla - where you pick your vehicle, options, and pay a non-refundable deposit directly to them. You get an estimated arrival of your vehicle. When your vehicle is built, they notify you of it's arrival, you have 72 hours to arrange for payment and pick up or you lose it.

No BS on price, no BS on anything else. It's yours, your pay for it, you pick it up and leave.

 

[Mav_RICK]

Let me get this straight: if you HAD put down a deposit on the Maverick order, you think it WOULD be "your" Maverick? Nope. And the same is true for the Corolla your wife ordered... I'm not a lawyer, but IIRC the "business law" courses I took for my degree, unless you have a purchase agreement signed by both parties, with ALL the terms and conditions clearly stated, it's not "your" vehicle. Even if you do, it is technically not your vehicle - you just have an enforceable contract where the dealer has agreed to sell you a vehicle equipped a certain way to you (at some point in time) for the stated price.

Just placing a deposit along with an order does NOTHING to convey ownership. Since the dealer doesn't own the vehicle until it arrives at their lot, how could they possibly convey ownership of that asset to you? Here's a quick "reality check" for you: Can you insure the vehicle through a normal automotive policy? If not - you don't own the vehicle yet.

In point of fact, if your dealership filled out a COVP, that Ford Maverick order IS "associated" with you. Nope, you still don't own it, but the dealership has made a commitment (non-binding on either party's side) to order and sell that vehicle to you. Technically, there's nothing to stop the dealership from getting "your" order in, and selling it to anyone they choose. We've had several documented cases of that here in the forum.

What is HUGELY different between the way Toyota handles "orders" and how Ford handles orders is this: Toyota builds what they want to build, and vehicles are allocated to the regional distributorships, who in turn allocate those to the dealers within their territory. When you place an "order" with a Toyota dealer, you are telling them "Please look for a vehicle equipped similarly to the way I prefer, and in the color (or more commonly - one of these three colors that I can live with), and let me know when it arrives.

Ford actually allows you (the customer) to request a special-order from your dealership, and they will build EXACTLY the vehicle the dealership orders for you. Unless you (or more accurately - your dealer) makes a change to your order, you SHOULD receive exactly what you ordered. That is, of course, assuming "normal times" and vehicles that are established in production. The Maverick has many constraints that maya prevent your particular vehicle from being built. But Ford (the company) will absolutely NOT change anything in your order to be able to deliver "something" to your dealer. You'll either get what you ordered, or not get anything at all. (See plenty of folks still waiting on their XL Mavericks with trailer hitch...)

Your Toyota (or Mazda/Honda/Subaru/Hyundai/Kia/etc.) dealer will find something in the delivery queue that is "close" to what you ordered, and offer it to you. If you refuse it, they go on to the next person in the waiting list, and so on... The factory absolutely does NOT custom-build cars to order. There isn't even a mechanism in existence for placing such an order.

We can debate all day about which approach is better, but if you want a "unicorn" vehicle (some combination of features that is unique to your needs) you have ZERO chance of getting that from the Pacific Rim manufacturers, who "pre-decide" what combinations they will build. In contract, you have a fairly decent chance – subject to order-guide and supply-chain limitations, of course – of (eventually) getting it from Ford, GM, or Chrysler.

The vehicle is already sold to me at this point. I have a contract. I have already given up my trade and paid for the vehicle being shipped. The deposit is required when you accept the allocation but you don't contract for the vehicle until it is built. After you have contracted and paid then yes the vehicle is now mine and is no longer the dealership's.

As for the Ford order model yes you order exactly what you wan't and then you often end up changing what you originally ordered hoping that they will then take your order. It's better if indeed you do get picked to be built I guess , but Toyota did come up with an allocation that worked for us. Much less drama IMO.

 

[Mav_RICK]

Abso-f'ing-lutely not!

I would NEVER give up possession of my existing vehicle and pay for a new vehicle before it even ships, that is insanity.

I'm glad it worked out for you.

For would benefit from a model like Tesla - where you pick your vehicle, options, and pay a non-refundable deposit directly to them. You get an estimated arrival of your vehicle. When your vehicle is built, they notify you of it's arrival, you have 72 hours to arrange for payment and pick up or you lose it.

No BS on price, no BS on anything else. It's yours, your pay for it, you pick it up and leave.

I respect that position but I don't hold to that same view. Not saying this would work for everyone nor I'm I even saying every Toyota dealership does it this way. This is a major Toyota dealership in Phoenix and is standard operating procedure.

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