Hybrid Engine Fire Recall? Is this an actual fix, or a Band-Aid?

[Whatthewhat11]

Long McArthur's most recent livestream (link below) discusses the engine fire recall. If the root cause is an incorrectly machined crankshaft which causes oil/fuel leaking which then can potentially cause a fire, why is the recall not to replace the crankshaft? Drilling holes and removing the AGS sounds like a cop out to me. Sure I guess it will prevent the fire, but he mentions the faulty crankshaft "can cause the engine to fail." So are people with the faulty crankshaft going to discover they are affected when their engine seizes on the highway now? Leaves me with a lot of questions.

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[Shay]

Long McArthur's most recent livestream (link below) discusses the engine fire recall. If the root cause is an incorrectly machined crankshaft which causes oil/fuel leaking which then can potentially cause a fire, why is the recall not to replace the crankshaft? Drilling holes and removing the AGS sounds like a cop out to me. Sure I guess it will prevent the fire, but he mentions the faulty crankshaft "can cause the engine to fail." So are people with the faulty crankshaft going to discover they are affected when their engine seizes on the highway now? Leaves me with a lot of questions.

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Because the cost/benefit analysis doesn't square with the statistical likelihood that this issue will even happen. Remember .17 in 1000? This whole thing is really a non issue given there have not been any incidents.

 

[Whatthewhat11]

Because the cost/benefit analysis doesn't square with the statistical likelihood that this issue will even happen. Remember .17 in 1000? This whole thing is really a non issue given there have not been any incidents.

Statistical likelihood is low now sure, but potentially affected vehicles are still so new. Still sounds like a cop out to me. Again, how are you to know your vehicle is affected before your engine seizes on you? And there has been incidents, he states 23 reported cases of engine fires. Low number sure, but it's certainly not a "non issue."

Time will tell I guess

 

[CoryDallas8123]

Doesn’t the recall state “the problem has been corrected in manufacturing” or something along those lines?

Wouldn’t that indicate all future builds have the crankshaft issue fixed?

Or am I severely mistaken?

 

[Whatthewhat11]

Doesn’t the recall state “the problem has been corrected in manufacturing” or something along those lines?

Wouldn’t that indicate all future builds have the crankshaft issue fixed?

Or am I severely mistaken?

Yes future builds are corrected, one reason I'm thankful mine has not been build yet. The issue still stands for vehicles build between those specified dates.

 

[Mag Maverick]

Hey guys pick up my hybrid tomorrow and it was built a week and a half after call date I will let you know if I have holes in the underneath of the pans and missing fins or not .like someone said time will tell??

 

[Rockingchair]

I don't know the cause, however I have seen 3 completely burned Mavericks on the IAAI and Copart websites. Those websites are sparse on info so I don't know what engine they had or the source of the fire.

 

[Johnkn]

Statistical likelihood is low now sure, but potentially affected vehicles are still so new. Still sounds like a cop out to me. Again, how are you to know your vehicle is affected before your engine seizes on you? And there has been incidents, he states 23 reported cases of engine fires. Low number sure, but it's certainly not a "non issue."

Time will tell I guess

Yes, time will tell when people don't invest 2 minutes and read one of the many current threads here, some are 20 pages long, before starting yet another thread on the subject to only add FUD to the situation and cry wolf.....

View the report, it is posted in this Forum many times..

The reported rate for fire OR smoke is 8 per 100,000 Globally for this power plant (not Maverick specific) over a 3 year period. Not one year for 2022 Mavericks, 3 years cumulative for this power plant globally.

How many cases of 2022 Mavericks actually having this concern?

Ford quickly identified and resolved the root cause, and Ford implemented remediation for any remaining cars or trucks that may be effected irrespective of how few.

So that's a cop out? LOL

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[Whatthewhat11]

Yes, time will tell when people don't invest 2 minutes and read one of the many current threads here, some are 20 pages long, before starting yet another thread on the subject to only add FUD to the situation and cry wolf.....

View the report, it is posted in this Forum many times..

The reported rate for fire OR smoke is 8 per 100,000 Globally for this power plant (not Maverick specific) over a 3 year period. Not one year for 2022 Mavericks, 3 years cumulative for this power plant globally.

How many cases of 2022 Mavericks actually having this concern?

Ford quickly identified and resolved the root cause, and Ford implemented remediation for any remaining cars or trucks that may be effected irrespective of how few.

So that's a cop out? LOL

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They know X number of Mavericks were affected, hence the recall. The root cause is a faulty crankshaft, and that is not addressed in the "fix." The rarity is irrelevant. If Ford says these vehicles are, or could be affected, they need to evaluate for the the issue, and rectify it if need be. Not drill holes and remove an AGS. Again, no one can answer the question... How will you know if your crank is affected until your engine fails?

 

[BILLNOROVILLE]

There are so many other things that can leave you stranded besides a bad crankshaft in modern vehicles but you are worried about a crankshaft.

You should be happy about the 8/100,000 ratio. Drive the piss out of it for a couple thousand miles and see if the crankshaft blows the motor at least if you get the recall done it won't catch on fire too.

 

[999]

Just to be clear... the Maverick has had just a handful of crankshaft failures.

It is estimated that this defect affects 8/100000 hybrid engines. My rough guess is that 50,000 hybrids are on the road in the US. So this crank defect likely affects less than 10 US Mavericks.

In the face of all logic and reason you believe that "the rarity is irrelevant", and you would have Ford recall all 50,000 built Mavericks. They would then have to remove the engines and tear them down to inspect the crankshafts. This is PREPOSTEROUS (and frankly impossible) on so many levels.

 

[Darnon]

Just to be clear... the Maverick has had just a handful of crankshaft failures.

Ford has not identified this as being specifically due to crankshaft failures. In the case of the Escape recall for that issue it was due to a single, identifiable event in production (the emery cloth broke on a polishing machine).

 

[brnpttmn]

Just to be clear... the Maverick has had just a handful of crankshaft failures.

I don't believe there's been any evidence that the Maverick has had any crankshaft failures.

 

[brnpttmn]

They know X number of Mavericks were affected, hence the recall. The root cause is a faulty crankshaft, and that is not addressed in the "fix." The rarity is irrelevant. If Ford says these vehicles are, or could be affected, they need to evaluate for the the issue, and rectify it if need be. Not drill holes and remove an AGS. Again, no one can answer the question... How will you know if your crank is affected until your engine fails?

That's not been established. The recall is for the fluid/air dynamics in the engine compartment. If there were faulty cranks in the Maverick they would recall the Maverick for the cranks (like they did for the escape).

 

[YOBY]

Ford has not identified this as being specifically due to crankshaft failures. In the case of the Escape recall for that issue it was due to a single, identifiable event in production (the emery cloth broke on a polishing machine).

If the manufacturer identified the problem, how did the affected crankshafts get into the parts inventory?

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