Chip Shortage

[M.A.C.]

Yes I believe the thread was about chip shortage and car salesmen got caught in the crossfire somehow.

Car salesman are like anyone you may know, some do it because they have limited job opportunities. Some do it because they have the gift of gab and are good at it, still others take it up as a career and are able to feed there families, buy homes and put their kids through college.

But let’s be clear car salesman are not your friends they have one job and one job only and it’s to sell as many cars for the highest profit margins possible, and much worse than car salesman are the finance managers, they corral you in a small office offer you everything you had no idea you needed (never needed) and then they lie, manipulate and even call you cheap if they think it will get you buy some high profit ad on. Finance managers are much worse than car salesman. All that being said I have a VW salesman and dealer I have been buying cars since 1998 and the salesman has become a good friend and we have an excellent relationship. I am in the minority.

Always remember that the good ones have sold hundreds and some thousands of cars and trucks over their careers. They will always have the advantage over us with the exception of the build your own custom ordering system. I can only hope that this new way of buying never changes.

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[Bbot]

The worker at the assembly plant in Mexico building the Bronc Sport and Maverick truck take home $115 per week! Chevrolet builds the Silverado truck right next door which sells for about $40000 dollars
in America, Who profits the most, not the Mexican worker, American worker or American buyer…. Mary Barra gets a large bonus .
Just refuse to purchase items not Made in the USA, not possible.
$5500 worth of parts are in every American car or truck! But also ask any Senior in high school if they want to work in an assembly plant and the answer most likely will be no. Young adults want to work in IT,
computer coding , or similar jobs. Very few want to be plumbers, A/C
techs,auto mechanics Or roofers. If we want it built here we have to have a steady flow of skilled workers.

That’s $5500 worth of parts from Mexico.

 

[M.A.C.]

The worker at the assembly plant in Mexico building the Bronc Sport and Maverick truck take home $115 per week! Chevrolet builds the Silverado truck right next door which sells for about $40000 dollars
in America, Who profits the most, not the Mexican worker, American worker or American buyer…. Mary Barra gets a large bonus .
Just refuse to purchase items not Made in the USA, not possible.
$5500 worth of parts are in every American car or truck! But also ask any Senior in high school if they want to work in an assembly plant and the answer most likely will be no. Young adults want to work in IT,
computer coding , or similar jobs. Very few want to be plumbers, A/C
techs,auto mechanics Or roofers. If we want it built here we have to have a steady flow of skilled workers.

With all due respect I am a little exhausted in hearing that Americans can’t do this and can’t do that. That we can’t manufacture, that our men and women don’t want to workin these type of jobs “Baloney” there are plenty of blue collar population segments of this country that would jump at the chance at fabrication, these individuals are not interested in going to college or can’t afford it, they are looking for high paying tech work, they will never study I.T.or coding or any other high tech carriers that require many years of study and college debt.

We are talking about hundreds of thousands of Americans that are willing to assemble car, trucks, motorcycles, anything that will give them and their families a Good living wage.

Im not telling you that any American should or would accept a $157.00 a week salary, the fact is that there are plenty of manufacturing opportunities in the USA that are not being exploited. We have the resources, we have the ability to raise capital, we can build “Mega Factories”, we have a trainable work force available.

So basically I’m saying that if other foreign companies that hire Americans can build in America, American companies can build in America.

 

[STARCOMMTREY1]

With all due respect I am a little exhausted in hearing that Americans can’t do this and can’t do that. That we can’t manufacture, that our men and women don’t want to workin these type of jobs “Baloney” there are plenty of blue collar population segments of this country that would jump at the chance at fabrication, these individuals are not interested in going to college or can’t afford it, they are looking for high paying tech work, they will never study I.T.or coding or any other high tech carriers that require many years of study and college debt.

We are talking about hundreds of thousands of Americans that are willing to assemble car, trucks, motorcycles, anything that will give them and their families a Good living wage.

Im not telling you that any American should or would accept a $157.00 a week salary, the fact is that there are plenty of manufacturing opportunities in the USA that are not being exploited. We have the resources, we have the ability to raise capital, we can build “Mega Factories”, we have a trainable work force available.

So basically I’m saying that if other foreign companies that hire Americans can build in America, American companies can build in America.

This is the error in your sentence. I define an available workforce as those willing to work. The US suffers from a severe case of dontwannaworkbia. Too many 'entitled' people believe they should not have to work and should still have a minimum 'universal income'. As of last year I was trying to hire installers for our company. 50k MIN per year. That was for the guys who did not work a full week. You even set your own schedule. Unless we were swamped, if you needed a day, a week, a month take it. It was commission but our lowest paid made 46k and I dont believe worked a month straight all year. I could not hire anyone. At all. None. Our average checks per week were over 1k dollars if you worked the whole week. But this was WORK. Oh, and you only actually were on site 6 or less hours per day. Half of my techs kept fishing gear in the truck to hit any lakes or rivers nearby when they were done at 2 or 3. Nope. No takers. Cant find people who want to work

 

[M.A.C.]

This is the error in your sentence. I define an available workforce as those willing to work. The US suffers from a severe case of dontwannaworkbia. Too many 'entitled' people believe they should not have to work and should still have a minimum 'universal income'. As of last year I was trying to hire installers for our company. 50k MIN per year. That was for the guys who did not work a full week. You even set your own schedule. Unless we were swamped, if you needed a day, a week, a month take it. It was commission but our lowest paid made 46k and I dont believe worked a month straight all year. I could not hire anyone. At all. None. Our average checks per week were over 1k dollars if you worked the whole week. But this was WORK. Oh, and you only actually were on site 6 or less hours per day. Half of my techs kept fishing gear in the truck to hit any lakes or rivers nearby when they were done at 2 or 3. Nope. No takers. Cant find people who want to work

We run a twenty year family business and we are having the same problem but the issue but what I am seeing is that all of the mortgage/renters protection programs and pay to stay home federal programs seem to be at the root of the problem.( I realize it’s no the whole problem)

I fully understand the original intent of these programs but I feel that many people have taken advantage of these programs and have even grown addicted to them. I’m dealing with property owners that owe tens of thousands in mortgage and renting payments, have been putting away the money (or spending it) and are just waiting for the last possible moment to sell or short sale their properties. Oh and they have been running these properties down to the ground with deferred maintenance.

We need to use the carrot and stick method or we will be stuck in this twilight zone for ever.

I believe that the wages we are offering are a good living wage, but if you make things too comfortable for people they will chose to lay back.

I was brought up differently but the new generation of workers don’t have the same work ethic, not all but a lot of them.

 

[spacemancraig]

This is the error in your sentence. I define an available workforce as those willing to work. The US suffers from a severe case of dontwannaworkbia. Too many 'entitled' people believe they should not have to work and should still have a minimum 'universal income'. As of last year I was trying to hire installers for our company. 50k MIN per year. That was for the guys who did not work a full week. You even set your own schedule. Unless we were swamped, if you needed a day, a week, a month take it. It was commission but our lowest paid made 46k and I dont believe worked a month straight all year. I could not hire anyone. At all. None. Our average checks per week were over 1k dollars if you worked the whole week. But this was WORK. Oh, and you only actually were on site 6 or less hours per day. Half of my techs kept fishing gear in the truck to hit any lakes or rivers nearby when they were done at 2 or 3. Nope. No takers. Cant find people who want to work

Double the pay, I bet you get a bite.

 

[Rkbrumbelow]

There are so many opinions in here at this point that mine isn’t going to matter and honestly I don’t even know who said what. But regarding the argument about car salesman, yeah, that was pretty harsh. If you don’t trust them, that’s your choice. Yes, there are some sleazy salesman and even decent salesman who happen to work for a sleazy dealership. But there are bad apples everywhere. I was a cop for 17+ years. I always tried my best to treat everyone I dealt with fairly and with respect. But I still got to carry around the reputation of a few of those bad apples. To lump every salesman into the category of untrustworthy is pretty narrow minded thinking. I have a salesman that I know is a great guy. The prices at his dealership aren’t the greatest in town. But I know they will have my back if I have an issue and I can trust them so I buy there anyway. I gladly went in and ordered my Mav there at MSRP. They didn’t try to “market adjust” me and I didn’t try to “4% below invoice” them.

A good friend and I were discussing our children a few years ago and he said the following. Trust your children until they give you a reason not to. This can be applied to many in our lives.

Once, s great communicator said “trust but verify “

I the small town I was in I was involved in a hut and run. By a sheriffs daughter.
it was covered up.
I walked into a citizen verbally assaulting a female mail clerk. I intervened (though disabled) and was physically assaulted. No charges were ever filed. My Aunt was raped in public housing, surprisingly the rape kit was lost, and hers was the only camera not working 1 week after inspection. Heck we had our sites majority whip help cover up a hit and run along with the chief of police while Eric Valis died in a ditch. The sheriff department i trust, police not so much so. Heck a few years ago we lost 75% of the police force after a GB investigation showed they were involved in a series of chop shops.
Where I grew up, you could trust to be completely professional, lest they be reassigned someplace else till they could be terminated.

amazing how culture and oversight can change things

goes to any closed industry.

 

[Ron Neal]

I need more popcorn.

 

[Rkbrumbelow]

I need more popcorn as this thread is digressing into fluff.

Want it layered with butter or cheese powder? Larges get a free refill, but costs 39.95$

 

[Ron Neal]

Just butter please

 

[Old Ranchero]

I'm outta Cool Ranch chips. I do have cheese to go with the whine.

 

[STARCOMMTREY1]

Double the pay, I bet you get a bite.

Then we lose money. These guys make about 300 per day when they work....

 

[Rkbrumbelow]

I'm outta Cool Ranch chips. I do have cheese to go with the whine.

They make cool ranch powder for popcorn (1st ever ‘real job aka not on the farm) was in a Loews movie theater as a concessionaire. Kosher and we made commission

 

[Old Ranchero]

Double the pay, I bet you get a bite.

what if the jobs aren't worth double the pay to the owner? That's what has been lost in discussions about minimum wage, "living wage", etc. It's well known for example most new restaurants fail in the 1st year of business. Go to any mom & pop restaurant and you'll generally find family members working there- a significant % of which don't take ANY pay because the business is not making any profit and just trying to survive until/if they do become profitable. If they are fortunate enough for business to pick up they might need to hire a dishwasher, hostess, etc. to keep up with the volume of new customers. How is it anyone's business to demand the owners pay $15/hr for those unskilled positions when the owners and family are working for free to keep business open? Huge disconnect between what the owner thinks it's worth and what outsiders think it SHOULD be worth for reasons not related to the actual skill/labor involved.

 

[Rkbrumbelow]

what if the jobs aren't worth double the pay to the owner? That's what has been lost in discussions about minimum wage, "living wage", etc. It's well known for example most new restaurants fail in the 1st year of business. Go to any mom & pop restaurant and you'll generally find family members working there- a significant % of which don't take ANY pay because the business is not making any profit and just trying to survive until/if they do become profitable. If they are fortunate enough for business to pick up they might need to hire a dishwasher, hostess, etc. to keep up with the volume of new customers. How is it anyone's business to demand the owners pay $15/hr for those unskilled positions when the owners and family are working for free to keep business open? Huge disconnect between what the owner thinks it's worth and what outsiders think it SHOULD be worth for reasons not related to the actual skill/labor involved.

/singsto the subway theme

15$, 15$ foot long! (Voice under we swear it contains 100 % sustainable tuna in the tuna sandwich*)
* I personally believe they are not lying but their supplier might be (probably not though )

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