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Back in the day, when Hybrids were really expensive and the batteries didn't last more than 5 years, I ran the numbers and told my wife she couldn't have a Prius. After all, $10,000 dollars could buy a lot of gas and I would have a car that would last twice as long. Fast Forward to 2022, cars are more expensive, used cars cost more than new, and I have an aged Chevy Cruze with a 1.8 1.4 liter turbo engine that is looking like it is not going to make my 250,000 mile estimate when we purchased it. I ran the numbers again, and they made sense. In fact, it was cheaper to buy a new Prius than a used similar conventional drive vehicle. My wife drives about 80 miles a day, and although the Cruze was averaging about 38mpg, the 57 mpg advertised of the Prius is a major plus (We average 61). We hit the jackpot, and a Prius was available that was just put on the boat from Japan that was almost exactly what we wanted. We reserved it from the dealership and we sold the 2009 Silverado that averaged 15 mpg and I have been limping along in my Cruze along since then (I drive 18 miles a day). Finally go to the point where I am ready (and able) to order my Maverick and my wife and I sat down to discuss what to buy. We decided to go with the EcoBoost with 4K to tow our travel trailer. We thought long and hard about selling the travel trailer and getting the hybrid, but once the price jumped on the Hybrid we finalized our decision to keep the trailer and get the EcoBoost.

So... There is my back story.

On to the numbers question. Back when Hybrids first came out, the price increase for a hybrid that didn't help the mileage much (Most were a 13 HP Equivalent Electric motor ran off a belt on the Engine) there really weren't any financial benefits of having a hybrid. But I ran the numbers today, based on the EPA Combined MPG and was actually shocked on the number of miles that it would take to "Break Even" with the increased cost of the Hybrid drivetrain. Here is what I came up with.

Hybrid - 37MPG CombinedEcoBoost - 25MPG CombinedDifference in Price Per MileMiles to "Break Even"
$6/Gallon16.22 cents per mile24 cents per mile7.78 cents19,280
$5/Gallon13.51 cents per mile20 cents per mile6.49 cents23,112
$4/Gallon10.81 cents per mile16 cents per mile5.19 cents28,901
$3/Gallon
AKA Lucky SOBs
8.11 cents per mile12 cents per mile3.89 cents38,560

Don't know why it matters since I already ordered my EcoBoost, but for those of you that are thinking that the price increase for the Hybrid makes it not worth it, it is still a cheaper truck to own in the long run.
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When I ran the numbers in the past the hybrid option on cars was always $5000+ and the break even point was about 5 years. Not enough for me. With the Mav hybrid now $1500 more and gas prices being what they are, it was a no-brainer for me. I ordered the hybrid. Now it remains to be seen if I can stand waiting for one.
 
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When I ran the numbers in the past the hybrid option on cars was always $5000+ and the break even point was about 5 years. Not enough for me. With the Mav hybrid now $1500 more and gas prices being what they are, it was a no-brainer for me. I ordered the hybrid. Now it remains to be seen if I can stand waiting for one.
I guess I could have put a disclaimer about the money lost in gas waiting for delivery of the Hybrid :ROFLMAO:
 

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I guess I could have put a disclaimer about the money lost in gas waiting for delivery of the Hybrid :ROFLMAO:
LOL yeah, since I'm now stuck driving a Hemi Ram that gets 18-19 empty with a tail wind. I may find a late model econobox to drive until the Maverick gets delivered if I can find one cheap enough to get most of my money back on the trade.
 

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Hybrid can't get 4K tow. That was dealbreaker for me otherwise I would have been fine with a hybrid.

Personally, ROI for a vehicle has to be less than 18 months and with the amount of miles I'm driving, not even your $6 amount would do it. Even with two cross-state trips this month (one of which involved towing a trailer), I've only put $200 worth of gas in the Maverick since I got it in July. And that will likely be it. I expect remainder of tank I bought on the way home this past weekend to last through late September.
 

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I guess I could have put a disclaimer about the money lost in gas waiting for delivery of the Hybrid :ROFLMAO:
Fair point hahaha *cries in 19mpg*

Driving 60 miles every week day is making me bleed slowly (had to trade in my car and drive my wife’s Santa Fe since her Bronco was scheduled and built in 3 months. Happy and surprised but I WANT MY MAVERICK NOW!)
 
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Hybrid can't get 4K tow. That was dealbreaker for me otherwise I would have been fine with a hybrid.

Personally, ROI for a vehicle has to be less than 18 months and with the amount of miles I'm driving, not even your $6 amount would do it. Even with two cross-state trips this month (one of which involved towing a trailer), I've only put $200 worth of gas in the Maverick since I got it in July. And that will likely be it. I expect remainder of tank I bought on the way home this past weekend to last through late September.
If Hybrid had 4K tow, I probably would have waited for one of those.
 

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I have been driving my hybrid for about 15 months and have been tracking my fuel usage consistently. At my last fill up I was at 20947.6 miles with an average mpg of 37.17 and an average fuel cost of .10 per mile. This includes two trips between Jax, FL and Leesville, LA. And one trip up into the mountains of Tennessee. Typically running around town, I am usually closer to 40-44. I wish I had preordered two.
 

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This ignores the other reason to own a hybrid, or any other high mpg vehicle: Fuel availability and rising fuel costs.

Oh, but we’ll never see shortages and massive price increases like we did in the 70’s will we?

Normalcy bias is an amazing thing.
 

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This ignores the other reason to own a hybrid, or any other high mpg vehicle: Fuel availability and rising fuel costs.

Oh, but we’ll never see shortages and massive price increases like we did in the 70’s will we?

Normalcy bias is an amazing thing.
We saw it on the East Coast in 2021 when a pipeline company got ransomwared.
 
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One part of the equation was left out is projected resale value. Which makes the Hybrid cheaper to own from day one! Now at 200,000 miles and 15 years old that does not matter. But at least for a few years the Hybrid resale value more than makes up for the initial cost increase for the 2024 models.
I get that the Hybrid doesn't tow 4000 lbs. That is very important for some owners of Mavericks. Leaving only one choice.
But only the Hybrid can be flat towed, which in todays market makes it quite attractive for those that flat tow behind RV's.
 

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But only the Hybrid can be flat towed, which in todays market makes it quite attractive for those that flat tow behind RV's.
Yeah, but that does kinda negate the whole "fuel savings" thing as RVs tend to get closer to gallons per mile.
 

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Honestly did not buy the Maverick JUST for the great fuel mileage. Had been looking for a lighter weight vehicle to tow behind the RV. The Maverick is about 1200 lbs lighter than the Jeep I was towing and I also think it must have significantly less rolling resistance too. It feels much lighter behind the motorhome than 1200 lbs less should.
I got 7.54 mpg on the motorhome on a 3000 mile trip. It has the 7.3 Ford gas V8. I got 8.75 on the Diesel motorhome on the same trip the year before this. Yet the gas engine is still cheaper per mile to drive. I am heading to Moab end of this month. Curious to know if the mileage will show any improvement from towing the Maverick over the Jeep.
 

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Back in the day, when Hybrids were really expensive and the batteries didn't last more than 5 years, I ran the numbers and told my wife she couldn't have a Prius. After all, $10,000 dollars could buy a lot of gas and I would have a car that would last twice as long. Fast Forward to 2022, cars are more expensive, used cars cost more than new, and I have an aged Chevy Cruze with a 1.8 liter turbo engine that is looking like it is not going to make my 250,000 mile estimate when we purchased it. I ran the numbers again, and they made sense. In fact, it was cheaper to buy a new Prius than a used similar conventional drive vehicle. My wife drives about 80 miles a day, and although the Cruze was averaging about 38mpg, the 57 mpg advertised of the Prius is a major plus (We average 61). We hit the jackpot, and a Prius was available that was just put on the boat from Japan that was almost exactly what we wanted. We reserved it from the dealership and we sold the 2009 Silverado that averaged 15 mpg and I have been limping along in my Cruze along since then (I drive 18 miles a day). Finally go to the point where I am ready (and able) to order my Maverick and my wife and I sat down to discuss what to buy. We decided to go with the EcoBoost with 4K to tow our travel trailer. We thought long and hard about selling the travel trailer and getting the hybrid, but once the price jumped on the Hybrid we finalized our decision to keep the trailer and get the EcoBoost.

So... There is my back story.

On to the numbers question. Back when Hybrids first came out, the price increase for a hybrid that didn't help the mileage much (Most were a 13 HP Equivalent Electric motor ran off a belt on the Engine) there really weren't any financial benefits of having a hybrid. But I ran the numbers today, based on the EPA Combined MPG and was actually shocked on the number of miles that it would take to "Break Even" with the increased cost of the Hybrid drivetrain. Here is what I came up with.

Hybrid - 37MPG CombinedEcoBoost - 25MPG CombinedDifference in Price Per MileMiles to "Break Even"
$6/Gallon16.22 cents per mile24 cents per mile7.78 cents19,280
$5/Gallon13.51 cents per mile20 cents per mile6.49 cents23,112
$4/Gallon10.81 cents per mile16 cents per mile5.19 cents28,901
$3/Gallon
AKA Lucky SOBs
8.11 cents per mile12 cents per mile3.89 cents38,560

Don't know why it matters since I already ordered my EcoBoost, but for those of you that are thinking that the price increase for the Hybrid makes it not worth it, it is still a cheaper truck to own in the long run.
You left out higher demand/resale value of the Hybrid.
 

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Good work to the OP. I love numbers and math. Thanx!!

For me, 6 years with the hybrid to break even. That is way too long a break even point to live with the sacrifice for me of not having AWD, IRS and a nice little ass kicking turbo.
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