Towed the car in 16' trailer with ease.

[The Real Maverick]

Psst..... @Dad

The 55 mph limit for trailers is a California thing and a U-Haul thing.

A couple of states have separate lower limits for trailers, most don't.

Montana even has a "daytime" speed limit and a "night time" speed limit. And maybe Maine. I forget. But I have been to all 50 states. Local rules are.... local.

Some states the School Zone is 15 mph. Some states use 20 mph. A whole bunch use 25 mph. I've seen 35 mph and I've seen no reduction at all for a school zone.

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[Snox801]

I get what you're saying, but these load limits are not generated from a dartboard. Those who designed and engineered these vehicles have much more than experience (as much as you may have) behind their recommendations. There is no "experience" or "common sense" column in the load capacity charts and if I find myself next to an overloaded vehicle on the highway, the last thing I'm thinking about is "gee, I hope he has at least 10 years of overload experience". Seems to me if one pushes past these limits you're rolling the dice with your safety and those on the road. No thanks.
By the way, there is speed limit for cars/trucks with trailers . . . it's 55, but as you have succinctly pointed out, few drivers obey it.

The speed limit is not 55 with truck and trailer in Michigan. This I can assure you. It has stipulation. If you have electric brakes and sway control speed limit is as posted for passenger trucks and trailers.

 

[Snox801]

Dad seems like the same guy who will complain about how the engineers with so much wisdom and experience did a terrible job designing his vehicle with soy based wires, bad motor design, safety flaws and anything else they were supposed to “engineer”.
Let’s just say those so called engineers with the vast wisdom and experience have enough opps moments that nobody should put that much faith in them. Second doesn’t change the fact my statement is still true. Someone with experience and safe driving overweight is far more safe no matter what than the guy who just bought his 1 ton and a 36’ camper and hits the highway at 75mph.
We can continue to go back and forth about all these hypothetical what if’s. Or we can all accept we have a level of risks every day in our lives and all we can do is our best to mitigate that risk. Heck you have a risk of your hybrid battery catching fire and you burning to death. But I bet that doesn’t stop you from jumping in it everyday. Or you statistically have a much higher risk of dying by drunk driver than by some guy 1000lbs over loaded in his maverick, suv, or van. But again you still hit the road.

 

[Dad]

Dad seems like the same guy who will complain about how the engineers with so much wisdom and experience did a terrible job designing his vehicle with soy based wires, bad motor design, safety flaws and anything else they were supposed to “engineer”.
Let’s just say those so called engineers with the vast wisdom and experience have enough opps moments that nobody should put that much faith in them. Second doesn’t change the fact my statement is still true. Someone with experience and safe driving overweight is far more safe no matter what than the guy who just bought his 1 ton and a 36’ camper and hits the highway at 75mph.
We can continue to go back and forth about all these hypothetical what if’s. Or we can all accept we have a level of risks every day in our lives and all we can do is our best to mitigate that risk. Heck you have a risk of your hybrid battery catching fire and you burning to death. But I bet that doesn’t stop you from jumping in it everyday. Or you statistically have a much higher risk of dying by drunk driver than by some guy 1000lbs over loaded in his maverick, suv, or van. But again you still hit the road.

Is there really a need for you to make asinine character attacks to make a point?
By your reasoning, we have no need for laws or safety guidelines if we all just use common sense. The risk level driving a hybrid compared to driving an overloaded vehicle is not the same. It seems all you're doing is trying to justify your own lack of responsibility to the safety of your fellow drivers.

 

[yamahaSHO]

There was a guy at my local AutoX about a month ago that parked next to me. He was towing a Miata, so I asked him what his towing weight was... He said, "4k lbs". He seemed to think it did just fine... I don't know what the actual weight was.

 

[Comet71]

16’ trailer, firewood for the weekend, 25 gallons extra fuel for the car, Mazda rx8 full of fuel, fire pit, grill,” both are barely lift able with one person”, all camping gear, and tools.
Was only a bit over one hour down and back to gingerman but 65mph speed limit was zero issues for the maverick.

 

[Snox801]

Is there really a need for you to make asinine character attacks to make a point?
By your reasoning, we have no need for laws or safety guidelines if we all just use common sense. The risk level driving a hybrid compared to driving an overloaded vehicle is not the same. It seems all you're doing is trying to justify your own lack of responsibility to the safety of your fellow drivers.

No that’s not what I’m doing. I’m pointing out how pointing to one group or one rating as the last word on anything. You pointed to engineers, I pointed out how wrong they are and how they can be wrong often.
As for the hybrid I know it sounded insane to equate the two that’s my point.
Where do you draw the line on something seeming nutty.
Point was more the fact life has all kinds of risk. One need to weight those risks and decide. With as many mile as I drive and how I do every year. I may indeed have had A higher chance of an incident with bad engineering than with a heavy load.
That was not a character attack more of an observation. You seem like the guy who will point to the Manuel that called for 5w20 in the first run of ecoboost engines and say “See Ford engineered 5w20 to be safe and effective.” Then after some time they realized they missed the mark and had to go back to 5w30.
Engineers dont always get it right.
Second point was still valid that you seem to avoid or miss. My hauling that load was absolutely more safe than the guy that buys a 1 ton and 36’ camper and hit the road at 75mph.

By your way of thinking that dude all good because it’s rated for it but I’m the reckless one.

 

[Snox801]

Is there really a need for you to make asinine character attacks to make a point?
By your reasoning, we have no need for laws or safety guidelines if we all just use common sense. The risk level driving a hybrid compared to driving an overloaded vehicle is not the same. It seems all you're doing is trying to justify your own lack of responsibility to the safety of your fellow drivers.

I’ll add that my reasoning does not make a case for laws or guidelines. First it’s not law to only haul what the truck is rated at.
Second it’s as you just stated a guideline. Not an absolute. They have to take every factor into consideration.

 

[Snox801]

There was a guy at my local AutoX about a month ago that parked next to me. He was towing a Miata, so I asked him what his towing weight was... He said, "4k lbs". He seemed to think it did just fine... I don't know what the actual weight was.

Mine was great at no point did it feel uncomfortable or unsafe. In fact I hauled my 32’ with my f-150 yesterday empty that needed much more attention to driving. Well under the capacity of my truck. Even the other maverick pulling the other rx8 said it was shockingly good.

 

[shadow76]

That’s the key. One needs to be smart and know what they are doing. I’m old enough to remember when we had no choice but to tow larger loads with less than ideal conditions. That being said when they safety rate them they need and do use the lowest common denominator. IE DUMB DUMBS.
Also lots of other factors like acceleration are factored into sae which by no means creates unsafe conditions if you are not passing traffic.
So like most things in this world. One needs to use common sense and know what they are doing. I haul a lot all over and have for 20 years. I can assure you this setup is significantly more safe than the guy who had a 1 ton truck buys a 33’ camper and decides that because it’s writhing the limits and the law that he should and could drive 75mph on the highway. Well within safety limits and speed limits here but definitely not as safe as what I’m doing at 65mph.
Safety is all relative.

Have a neighbor with a new one ton and fifth wheel combo claim he could tow at 80+ Hone of his tires came apart and caused $$$ of damage to the trailer.

 

[First Sergeant]

Exceeding the GCVWR is illegal, invalidates your insurance and invalidates any Ford Warranty. Not to mention any third party liability claims pursued in court. Your vehicle's kerb (sorry curb) weigh, what you can tow and what you can have as payload (including passengers but not gas) can never exceed your GCVWR.

Oh, and then there is tongue weight which counts as part off your vehicle payload.

"Illegal" Would that be the American Bald or the Golden? Just a joke. Seriously, having driven my 1951 GMC 1/2 ton back in the 60's, 94 bales of hay on the trailer and truck bed stacked. 15 years old and grandpa gave me my instructions on where to deliver it. Front end would occasionally "drift" up off the ground so careful on those turns! Runnning "high speed", maybe 25. Everything is relevant but we had to get the job done... and we did. With all the modern day inventions and laws people seem to kill themselves and others about the same as back then. Semi' trucks were almost always overloaded back in the day. Some politician always wanting to "fix" something or, a problem that may or may not actually exist. Cell phone use while driving is "illegal" I have yet to stop at a traffic light where someone is not texting, watching video's or just being stupid. People simply ignore the laws they want. You can't legislate stupidity, and not all laws save lives. Common sense will usually prevail. Don't get me started on how many rules we broke in my 20 years of Army. It would be a novel. Hahaha.

 

[Snox801]

Have a neighbor with a new one ton and fifth wheel combo claim he could tow at 80+ Hone of his tires came apart and caused $$$ of damage to the trailer.

Yes just because you can doesn’t mean you should. That goes both ways.
I personally think that me hauling my over weight car behind my maverick or any loaded trailer for that at 60-65 is safer than me doing 75mph Michigan speed limit in my f-150.
Way too many factors go into towing to just look at the 4k rating. Beside unless any of us know why it was limited. Maybe it was the passing part of the test that kept it to 4k.
Perfect example is the 160 with 3.5 eco. One with a 3:55 rear can haul much more than 3:31. Is it because the truck can’t safely handle it no. It was simply the acceleration test. So a tuned one with a 3:31 should be just fine.
I was simply trying to point that out to chicken little but logic seems to evade some.

 

[Snox801]

"Illegal" Would that be the American Bald or the Golden? Just a joke. Seriously, having driven my 1951 GMC 1/2 ton back in the 60's, 94 bales of hay on the trailer and truck bed stacked. 15 years old and grandpa gave me my instructions on where to deliver it. Front end would occasionally "drift" up off the ground so careful on those turns! Runnning "high speed", maybe 25. Everything is relevant but we had to get the job done... and we did. With all the modern day inventions and laws people seem to kill themselves and others about the same as back then. Semi' trucks were almost always overloaded back in the day. Some politician always wanting to "fix" something or, a problem that may or may not actually exist. Cell phone use while driving is "illegal" I have yet to stop at a traffic light where someone is not texting, watching video's or just being stupid. People simply ignore the laws they want. You can't legislate stupidity, and not all laws save lives. Common sense will usually prevail. Don't get me started on how many rules we broke in my 20 years of Army. It would be a novel. Hahaha.

Ya and what kind of spec limits where on that old truck. Probably none.
Thats kinda the point. Growing up on a farm tend to teach you some things about that.

 

[First Sergeant]

Ya and what kind of spec limits where on that old truck. Probably none.
Thats kinda the point. Growing up on a farm tend to teach you some things about that.

You are correct! I was just sitting here thinking about all those safety rules we had in the Army. They were almost non existent. The Army concerned about our safety and well being? I think not. NO seat belts in ANYTHING. No roll bars at all in the Jeeps or anything. No airbags. The list goes on. I only remember one guy getting hurt (could have been killed) when a Jeep rolled and he got launched. A few broken parts luckily. How did we ALL NOT DIE!! Ha. His helmet was his roll bar, and actually saved him from hitting his head on a rock. Made some helmet engineer somewhere very happy!

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