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You're tired of sending money to the Middle East but you're against hybrids? I like a good performance upgrade as much as the next guy and I generally pee standing up unless I'm doing a number two at the same time but if you remove the catalytic converters you're not polluting the same as everybody else you're polluting a lot more. Also personally if I was going to go there performance route I would probably be more interested in a better engine to start with. No offense to Ford but there are a lot better motors to hop up than the 2.0 EcoBoost
I said im tired of sending money to the middle east , i never rven mentioned hybrids!
Money to the middle east is about the gas lovers.
I prefer everything ev .
Am currently have parts for , 2 tesla motors , a leaf motor and about $10k of lg chem batteries for a buggy conversion on my high travel buggy and a possible 560 hp motor( tesla ldu) conversion on my 87’ full size bronco.
I think you got me confused with someone else .
I have nothing against hybrids , great for people that just want to buy a vehicle and drive it .
There is just not many hybrids you can customize , except for wraps , mud flaps, orginizers and such .
Not my thing .
I love suspension and traveling over whoops at ridiculous speeds , which requires performance modifications.
Im not into driving on developed oil impregnated rock , slathered upon our earth, though i have to deal with that and the hypocrytical enviro-nazi’s every day in socal that insist paved roads are more enviro friendly than the dirt roads we race on!
Sorry but thats my rant.
No offense has ever been given to a hybrid by me , so sorry if think so.
As far as you peeing , never mentioned it and not my business .
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Same team man, I don’t write the regs I create the data in the dyno cell.

if that is an emissions device which form the pics on his last thread looked to be like some catalyst material (we have a new 25 maverick to test at work I’ll have to ask the Ford Rep) it breaks the clear air act. With the Chevron case it gets a little muddy but we will see how that plays out in application.

My mom did give me such advice as you mention above but I was also taught a crap job is a crap job (weld job)
I believe Congress did vote on the clean air and water act for all of our Congressional scholars out here....
 

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I believe Congress did vote on the clean air and water act for all of our Congressional scholars out here....
You are correct , but it is also a act , which doesnt put it as a felony or misdemeanor, its a federal fine up to 4k $ and a fix it ticket to an individual , but has never been enforced federally.
Locally in california they would also wright tickets at the street hang outs , they would come a d block off the cruise night parking lots in san diego and bring a carb official and a dot trained highway patrol and write no cat and no pcv valve tickets on open air cleaner 70 chevelle’s and mustangs and illegal nitrous kits on 32’ fords and such .
Each ticket averaging $1500 starting price for moddified emissions , even on the 70’ cars.
The reason they brought a carb rep. And a dot trained highway patrol was , these are the only people trained to testify about what is legal or not .
Your average sheriff or policeman cannot testify without the dot training.
Same as what is a legal beadlock wheel and one that isn't.
Trust me I've gone round and round with my street legal high travel buggy .
Ive read most ca. vehicle code for off road stuff, aftermarket stuff,kit car stuff .
Its gotten to the point i carry laminated printouts of the common cvc’s cops pull me over for .
 

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You are correct , but it is also a act , which doesnt put it as a felony or misdemeanor, its a federal fine up to 4k $ and a fix it ticket to an individual , but has never been enforced federally.
Locally in california they would also wright tickets at the street hang outs , they would come a d block off the cruise night parking lots in san diego and bring a carb official and a dot trained highway patrol and write no cat and no pcv valve tickets on open air cleaner 70 chevelle’s and mustangs and illegal nitrous kits on 32’ fords and such .
Each ticket averaging $1500 starting price for moddified emissions , even on the 70’ cars.
The reason they brought a carb rep. And a dot trained highway patrol was , these are the only people trained to testify about what is legal or not .
Your average sheriff or policeman cannot testify without the dot training.
Same as what is a legal beadlock wheel and one that isn't.
Trust me I've gone round and round with my street legal high travel buggy .
Ive read most ca. vehicle code for off road stuff, aftermarket stuff,kit car stuff .
Its gotten to the point i carry laminated printouts of the common cvc’s cops pull me over for .
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if you notice in the last pic it’s only a civil penalty , for some reason people think a federal agent is goin to fly out of the McDonald’s parking lot and pull you over and take you to jail for removing a cat.To the most they can fine you ,if they are a dot trained ,or carb trained officer , and restrict the car from driving .make you take it to a referee after fixing It.
i can drive my cat less mustang all day, my sb100 exempt cat less buggy all day , or I can drive my catted 92 c350 centurion with a built 460 and produce more smog with the catted centurion than a catless direct injection 2.0liter or my 2.3 (2.6) catless fuel injected turbo svo mustang powered buggy.
or just drive the classic mustang or my brothers 428 cobra jet Torino talladega around and produce way more smog than either finely tuned injected turbo 4 cylinders.
 

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if you notice in the last pic it’s only a civil penalty , for some reason people think a federal agent is goin to fly out of the McDonald’s parking lot and pull you over and take you to jail for removing a cat.To the most they can fine you ,if they are a dot trained ,or carb trained officer , and restrict the car from driving .make you take it to a referee after fixing It.
i can drive my cat less mustang all day, my sb100 exempt cat less buggy all day , or I can drive my catted 92 c350 centurion with a built 460 and produce more smog with the catted centurion than a catless direct injection 2.0liter or my 2.3 (2.6) catless fuel injected turbo svo mustang powered buggy.
or just drive the classic mustang or my brothers 428 cobra jet Torino talladega around and produce way more smog than either finely tuned injected turbo 4 cylinders.
Are you sure you didn't just copy and paste a pic from Mad Max?
 

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Ahh so you are so very worried about pollution that you find the need to jump in every thread and make it known. But you draw the line with caring at bad lungs from car pollution but perfectly ok with all the lung issues with the slaves mining in china for your battery?
I’m only pointing out flaws in a lot of things. Not because I do t like it but some have rose colored glasses.
Many here chastise others about the choice they make. Like cutting out a cat. Just to make them feel good. Only to ignore what choices they make that others may seem just as bad.

I also am aware of the issues with Middle East oil. The difference is I’m not here getting on every hybrid thread and lecturing them about how bad it is. Read every thread that has to do with moding a ecoboost same crap.
I also find it funny you don’t want to tell other countries what to do but perfectly ok with doing that to our own country. You realize we share the same air rigtt he.

Again buy what you like and do you. I’ve said this from the start. Hybrid or ecoboost. Buy what fits your life but stop acting like what this guy did is a tragedy. Then to only find out it’s not emissions.
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Ahh so you are so very worried about pollution that you find the need to jump in every thread and make it known. But you draw the line with caring at bad lungs from car pollution but perfectly ok with all the lung issues with the slaves mining in china for your battery?
I’m only pointing out flaws in a lot of things. Not because I do t like it but some have rose colored glasses.
Many here chastise others about the choice they make. Like cutting out a cat. Just to make them feel good. Only to ignore what choices they make that others may seem just as bad.

I also am aware of the issues with Middle East oil. The difference is I’m not here getting on every hybrid thread and lecturing them about how bad it is. Read every thread that has to do with moding a ecoboost same crap.
I also find it funny you don’t want to tell other countries what to do but perfectly ok with doing that to our own country. You realize we share the same air rigtt he.

Again buy what you like and do you. I’ve said this from the start. Hybrid or ecoboost. Buy what fits your life but stop acting like what this guy did is a tragedy. Then to only find out it’s not emissions.
Lol
Simple, simple. Did I say it was a tragedy? Like most Americans these days you think in extremes. I was referring, maybe wrong guy ( I think bwicka perhaps ?) who removed the cat. He was making the same stupid red herring argument you always make...lol (15 yrs old?) which it runs along the lines of: well if somebody drives a hybrid and gets 50 MPG they're pure because they're still burning gas so there's no difference between them and somebody who dumps raw nuclear waste into the towns drinking supply reservoir..... It's either an argument made by people who are being purposely disingenuous or they just don't know any better.
Also you keep making arguments from 10 years ago about batteries and completely ignoring the fact that they're becoming more and more recyclable and gasoline is 0% recyclable. I don't argue with you and some of the other simple folk out here because I'm a fanatic about it but because I hate simple arguments.
You seem to acknowledge improvements in ice tech but in your mind batteries are stuck in 1980 forever and cannot be improved? Do your cordless tools run in 2- stroke mix, gas, or diesel?
 
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Ahh so you are so very worried about pollution that you find the need to jump in every thread and make it known. But you draw the line with caring at bad lungs from car pollution but perfectly ok with all the lung issues with the slaves mining in china for your battery?
I’m only pointing out flaws in a lot of things. Not because I do t like it but some have rose colored glasses.
Many here chastise others about the choice they make. Like cutting out a cat. Just to make them feel good. Only to ignore what choices they make that others may seem just as bad.

I also am aware of the issues with Middle East oil. The difference is I’m not here getting on every hybrid thread and lecturing them about how bad it is. Read every thread that has to do with moding a ecoboost same crap.
I also find it funny you don’t want to tell other countries what to do but perfectly ok with doing that to our own country. You realize we share the same air rigtt he.

Again buy what you like and do you. I’ve said this from the start. Hybrid or ecoboost. Buy what fits your life but stop acting like what this guy did is a tragedy. Then to only find out it’s not emissions.
Lol
I didn't chastise him for cutting the cat off although he shouldn't be doing that because it is illegal and we all breathe. Can I come and take a dump on your coffee table and just say that's my choice? It was simply pointed out that he said that it doesn't pollute any more than anyone else because they're still burning gas. Which means a catalytic converter iin his world doesnt do anything regarding pollution. I'm not chastising him I'm just pointing out his stupid argument. If you and others want to say you want to do what you want to do because and you don't give a crap if it did affect somebody else negatively just own it stop pointing out about slaves and things that you don't care about in a country you don't care about.
 
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I believe Congress did vote on the clean air and water act for all of our Congressional scholars out here....
They did but after the chevron case it’s clear that the can not give blanket authority to an agency like the epa.
So although not a scholar I certainly follow what happens.
So again according to the new ruling you are wrong.
 

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I didn't chastise him for cutting the cat off although he shouldn't be doing that because it is illegal and we all breathe. Can I come and take a dump on your coffee table and just say that's my choice? It was simply pointed out that he said that it doesn't pollute any more than anyone else because they're still burning gas. Which means a catalytic converter iin his world doesnt do anything regarding pollution. I'm not chastising him I'm just pointing out his stupid argument. If you and others want to say you want to do what you want to do because and you don't give a crap if it did affect somebody else negatively just own it stop pointing out about slaves and things that you don't care about in a country you don't care about.
I wasn’t pointing out I wanted anything I pointed out how misguided you are. Here you keep saying we all breath the same air while and we can’t be letting other pollute while at the same time seeming to think ev’s are gonna save us. They have a complete set of problems all alone. Still can’t figure out how you are such a humanitarian but don’t care about slaves making your batteries. How you can be all for telling other states and members of our country what the can and can do but you then state you do t wanna tell other countries what to do.
You have some fantastic mental gymnastics going on.
For the record I’m perfectly ok with rv’s and hybrids. They have a purpose and may one day be the solution. But I also tend to not care what someone chooses to drive. Like coal rollers. Not for me but they can do what makes them happy.
 
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Guys now that the environmental disaster has been avoided, can we just be happy and agree that those welds are shit? :LOL:
 

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I wasn’t pointing out I wanted anything I pointed out how misguided you are. Here you keep saying we all breath the same air while and we can’t be letting other pollute while at the same time seeming to think ev’s are gonna save us. They have a complete set of problems all alone. Still can’t figure out how you are such a humanitarian but don’t care about slaves making your batteries. How you can be all for telling other states and members of our country what the can and can do but you then state you do t wanna tell other countries what to do.
You have some fantastic mental gymnastics going on.
For the record I’m perfectly ok with rv’s and hybrids. They have a purpose and may one day be the solution. But I also tend to not care what someone chooses to drive. Like coal rollers. Not for me but they can do what makes them happy.
I hate to be rude but that is almost beyond dumb. I don't want to tell anybody anything. The government of the United States governs the United States and sets the rules and laws for the United States. We don't do that for other countries. I don't want there to be slaves and other countries but we don't run other countries and you are misguided because the vast majority of that mining happens in Africa for the chinese.. I don't care what you do you can eat dog s*** sandwiches for dinner as long as it doesn't affect other people. Thomas Jefferson would disagree with you. His definition of freedom was exactly that but in nicer words. Do what you want as long as you don't harm others. Coal rolling does harm others. Simple
As for EVS who cares what you're okay with. I'm not saying they're going to save everybody you're like a Luddite. Again 100 years ago you would have been against light bulbs and electricity. You're letting the perfect be the enemy of the good on purpose. Like EVS are not any better than a gas car environmentally until all the electricity is generated from a butterfly flapping its wings.... EVs create more pollution when being manufactured but over the life of the vehicle they are better for the environment. What mileage that is that is depending on things like how is your electricity generated? How big is the battery?
The point isn't that they're perfect and I'm not even an owner of one, the point is people smarter than you and I who specialize in things like battery chemistry can continue to make them better. Again I reference the cordless tools because I'm old enough to remember when the battery powered cordless drills, impact drivers and stuff came out and the batteries were three times as large and heavy with 1/3 the power and lasting time and that's not that long ago. Technology doesn't stand still.
 
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I wasn’t pointing out I wanted anything I pointed out how misguided you are. Here you keep saying we all breath the same air while and we can’t be letting other pollute while at the same time seeming to think ev’s are gonna save us. They have a complete set of problems all alone. Still can’t figure out how you are such a humanitarian but don’t care about slaves making your batteries. How you can be all for telling other states and members of our country what the can and can do but you then state you do t wanna tell other countries what to do.
You have some fantastic mental gymnastics going on.
For the record I’m perfectly ok with rv’s and hybrids. They have a purpose and may one day be the solution. But I also tend to not care what someone chooses to drive. Like coal rollers. Not for me but they can do what makes them happy.
Whoever said I was a humanitarian? I think the number of people we have now is basically a disease. Maybe I just want me and my family and people I care about to have a decent way of life where I can go fishing without oil slicks floating by..... Ever see any other planet in our solar system other than earth?
As for the batteries US companies had a lot of mineral rights in Africa that they sold to china. As usual CEOs are just worried about the next 1/4.. More totalitarian countries like the Chinese can nationally think in long-term strategic ways like locking up battery supply.
https://www.cecc.gov/events/hearing...-exploits-child-and-forced-labor-in-the-congo

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...has-monopolised-the-electric-vehicle-industry
That second article will shows what I meant by the world's more complicated today. Not just the United States but the Western world is competing with China in this field. Sticking to constitutional ideas that were very relevant regarding the states back in the late 18th century it's not likely to mount a sufficient challenge.
We don't stop using gas because the Middle East has human rights violations the problem, as usual, is human behavior not the technologies. You're using that as an excuse to attack a tech you don't like.
 
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Guys now that the environmental disaster has been avoided, can we just be happy and agree that those welds are shit? :LOL:
Yeah I agree but didn't want to say assuming the op might have done some of that work himself
 

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