Proposed federal yearly fee for Hybrids

[HenryFord]

So you want a different amount for millions of vehicles? It is easier for the tax to be a set rate. But let's start a new IRS branch with 5000 employees to send out individual tax bills based on each drivers mileage. Shouldn't cost more than 50 billion a year to operate.

I say flat rate for everyone and/or toll some of it. If gas taxes no longer cover it then flat rate it for all vehicles. That is how my state is doing it right now. I get a notice I have to pay my alternative fuels tax and they send me a sticker. I say stop singling people out and make everyone pay it and end the gas tax.

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[HenryFord]

I know it depends on the state, but some states already assess that fee for heavier vehicles. I pay a higher registration and tag renewals fee on my HD truck than I do my "passenger" vehicles in my current state and the state I moved here from also looked up the weight of the vehicle and the registration reflected that.

 

[DocPsy]

If your wearing out the roads and skipping out on the funding for their repair by skipping the gas station - well party is over .... And I think it is fair proposision ....

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Cheers

Gotta disagree. What it does is penalized efficiency when we should be taxing inefficiency. Best way would be a mileage tax, something more technologically feasible now than when usage taxation for transportation was first adopted.

As it would depend on accurate reporting of distance traveled, most Americans would resist their odometer being read by governmental agencies.

 

[dhaskit]

I see several news outlets stating that the new proposed budget passed by the house includes " a provision for the Federal Highway Administration to impose a $250 annual fee on all-electric vehicles and a $100 yearly fee for hybrid vehicles. "
Any idea how that would work? When I register here in washington, I thought all of the fees I pay are determined by and go to the state. No federal portion that I know about. Are there any current federal fees we all are paying when we register a car? Our legislature just upped the fee for the "privilege" of owning a hybrid. I'm guessing a federal fee would be added to whatever the state wants to squeeze out of us?

Whaaatt? The government charging hybrid and electric vehicles to drive on and wear out the same roads that gas and diesel vehicles have be paying for all along???
Sounds perfectly fair to me, but you are still free to be pissed off about it if you like, I suppose.

 

[The Real Maverick]

Tax Tires!

This is so easy. Tax Tires.

Fair for everyone. At least standardized.

Tax a 40,000 mile tire $400.
Tax a 70,000 mile tire $700.

Governments will love the pay in advance model. Trucks with more weight have more tires so naturally pay more.

This gets the fuel type, or lack of fuel out of the equation.

This is a tax per mile model WITHOUT big brother watching your every move. An no reporting or tracking.

If you have tire damage early on, you get a pro-rated tax on the next set. Easy.

 

[ugfbill]

Zero extra fee for hybrids in IL.

And the Bog Beautiful Bill has a fee for $100 hybrid!

 

[Prickly Pear]

Whaaatt? The government charging hybrid and electric vehicles to drive on and wear out the same roads that gas and diesel vehicles have be paying for all along???
Sounds perfectly fair to me, but you are still free to be pissed off about it if you like, I suppose.

So...did I sound pissed or like I was looking for a free ride? Was just looking for some discussion on how to make the road tax fair for all.
I think the tire idea sound good - cops just need to start writing tickets for bald tires.

 

[TomD]

I see several news outlets stating that the new proposed budget passed by the house includes " a provision for the Federal Highway Administration to impose a $250 annual fee on all-electric vehicles and a $100 yearly fee for hybrid vehicles. "
Any idea how that would work? When I register here in washington, I thought all of the fees I pay are determined by and go to the state. No federal portion that I know about. Are there any current federal fees we all are paying when we register a car? Our legislature just upped the fee for the "privilege" of owning a hybrid. I'm guessing a federal fee would be added to whatever the state wants to squeeze out of us?

Michigan is talking about it also. The problem is that they rely on gas taxes to pay for road repairs.
The feds already tax gas and diesel this just a way to make up for it.
If any of you youngsters are not aware you federal taxes on tires also. I don’t remember the excise taxes being removed. They are hidden much better than they used to be. Maybe I am wrong about the excise taxes. Didn’t we pay excise taxes on car batteries once upon a time?

 

[TomD]

So...did I sound pissed or like I was looking for a free ride? Was just looking for some discussion on how to make the road tax fair for all.
I think the tire idea sound good - cops just need to start writing tickets for bald tires.

Then they would need to ticket themselves.

 

[inline_five]

Whaaatt? The government charging hybrid and electric vehicles to drive on and wear out the same roads that gas and diesel vehicles have be paying for all along???
Sounds perfectly fair to me, but you are still free to be pissed off about it if you like, I suppose.

It's a $100 fee for hybrids, to cover the reduced tax you pay when buying a gallon of gas. $0.18 goes into the federal highway trust fund.

Assuming: 15,000 miles / yr, $0.18 federal gas tax per gallon

• An EcoBoost @ 26mpg pays $103 in HFT to the feds
• A hybrid @ 35 mpg will pay $177 in HFT to the feds, an additional $74 in yearly costs to the hybrid owner, for the pleasure of burning less gas and causing less emissions.
• A non-hybrid Civic @ 36 mpg, pays $75 in HFT to the feds, but has no additional federal tax.

So yes, this is 100% punitive and vindictive for some weird ass reason. Well, it's not weird, we know why, because pollution = good for some people.

 

[L30n1d45]

I see several news outlets stating that the new proposed budget passed by the house includes " a provision for the Federal Highway Administration to impose a $250 annual fee on all-electric vehicles and a $100 yearly fee for hybrid vehicles. "
Any idea how that would work? When I register here in washington, I thought all of the fees I pay are determined by and go to the state. No federal portion that I know about. Are there any current federal fees we all are paying when we register a car? Our legislature just upped the fee for the "privilege" of owning a hybrid. I'm guessing a federal fee would be added to whatever the state wants to squeeze out of us?

I can understand a fee for EVs since they pay no fuel tax currently, but a fee for hybrids seems idiotic.

 

[pigsareus]

I think it's fair hybrid owners pay their fair share of taxes but I just did the math, at 25 mpg I would've paid $43 in tax to the Feds over my 6000 miles, and instead I paid $28, a difference of $14.

Yet I would've been on the hook for $200 in additional taxes had this plan been in place when I bought in 2023.

Total bullcrap.

It looks like this is done via state registration so maybe people just won't renew their cars. Here in NC it seems most people don't even bother tbh.
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If your wearing out the roads and skipping out on the funding for their repair by skipping the gas station - well party is over .... And I think it is fair proposision ....

What is the Highway Trust Fund, and how is it financed? | Tax Policy Center

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I'm good with EVs paying the extra fee - hybrid? No way. There are import ICE vehicles that get 35MPG+ for years yet there wasn't some special extra tax lumped on them - the gov't knows the fuel rating for all vehicles - if they're looking to slap this on hybrid then they da-- better well slap it on ICE rides that get approx the same MPG.

 

[pigsareus]

It's a $100 fee for hybrids, to cover the reduced tax you pay when buying a gallon of gas. $0.18 goes into the federal highway trust fund.

Assuming: 15,000 miles / yr, $0.18 federal gas tax per gallon

• An EcoBoost @ 26mpg pays $103 in HFT to the feds
• A hybrid @ 35 mpg will pay $177 in HFT to the feds, an additional $74 in yearly costs to the hybrid owner, for the pleasure of burning less gas and causing less emissions.
• A non-hybrid Civic @ 36 mpg, pays $75 in HFT to the feds, but has no additional federal tax.

So yes, this is 100% punitive and vindictive for some weird ass reason. Well, it's not weird, we know why, because pollution = good for some people.

good number of import ICE rides that rival the MPG hybrid get - why are they immune from not paying this additional fee? There have been many ICE rides that get 35MPG+ for years why is this not being isolated to just hybrids. EVs I get - this efficient hybrid - no thanks.

 

[pigsareus]

With Hybrids and EV's only being 19% of vehicles sold here in USA - 80% will be unaffected. Whereas the tax incentives for EV and Hybrids werebeing paid with the help of the the 80% with zero benifit. And the band played on ....

Report: 19% of New Cars Are Hybrid or Electric - Kelley Blue Book

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what makes high MPG ICE rides immune from this? Hybrid/ high efficient ICE - same thing.

 

[pigsareus]

I see several news outlets stating that the new proposed budget passed by the house includes " a provision for the Federal Highway Administration to impose a $250 annual fee on all-electric vehicles and a $100 yearly fee for hybrid vehicles. "
Any idea how that would work? When I register here in washington, I thought all of the fees I pay are determined by and go to the state. No federal portion that I know about. Are there any current federal fees we all are paying when we register a car? Our legislature just upped the fee for the "privilege" of owning a hybrid. I'm guessing a federal fee would be added to whatever the state wants to squeeze out of us?

I can see EVs..hybrids and not similar high MPG ICE vehicles? What makes them immune it's the same idea :

Passenger Cars

1. Mitsubishi Mirage/G4 w/1.2-liter 3-cyl and CVT: 36/43 mpg
2. Honda Civic w/1.5-liter 4-cyl: 33/42 mpg
3. Hyundai Elantra w/2.0-liter 4-cyl and CVT: 32/41 mpg
4. Toyota Corolla/Hatchback w/2.0-liter 4-cyl and 10-spd trans: 32/41 mpg
5. Nissan Versa w/1.6-liter 4-cyl and CVT: 32/40 mpg

Luxury Cars

1. Acura Integra w/1.5-liter turbo-four and 7-spd trans: 30/37 mpg
2. Audi A3 w/2.0-liter turbo-four and 7-spd trans: 29/37 mpg
3. BMW 530i w/2.0-liter turbo-four and 8-spd trans: 27/35 mpg
4. Mercedes-Benz C300 w/2.0-liter turbo-four and 9-spd trans: 26/36 mpg
5. Mercedes-Benz CLA250 w/2.0-liter turbo-four and 8-spd trans: 26/36 mpg

SUVs

1. Nissan Kicks w/1.6-liter 4-cyl and CVT: 31/36 mpg
2. Hyundai Kona w/2.0-liter 4-cyl and CVT: 29/34 mpg
3. Chevrolet Trailblazer w/1.3-liter turbo-three and CVT: 29/33 mpg
4. Hyundai Venue w/1.6-liter 4-cyl and CVT: 29/33 mpg
5. Volkswagen Taos w/1.5-liter turbo-four and 8-spd trans: 28/36 mpg

Luxury SUVs

1. Lexus NX w/2.5-liter 4-cyl and 8-cyl trans: 26/33 mpg
2. Cadillac XT4 w/2.0-liter turbo-four and 9-spd trans: 24/29 mpg
3. BMW X1 w/ w/2.0-liter turbo-four and 7-spd trans: 23/31 mpg
4. Infiniti QX50 w/2.0-liter turbo-four and 8-spd trans: 23/39 mpg
5. BMW X3 w/2.0-liter turbo-four and 8-spd trans: 23/29 mpg

Pickup Trucks

1. Ford Maverick w/2.0-liter turbo-four and 8-spd trans: 23/30 mpg
2. Ford Ranger w/2.3-liter turbo-four and 10-spd trans: 21/25 mpg
3. Chevrolet Colorado w/2.7-liter turbo-four and 8-spd trans: 19/24 mpg
4. GMC Canyon w/2.7-liter turbo-four and 8-spd trans: 19/23 mpg
5. Nissan Frontier w/3.8-liter 6-cyl and 8-spd trans: 18/24 mpg

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