Ordered a 25' Lariat Hybrid , Having second thoughts ...

[710-oil-614]

Is it possible that governments calculate the weight of the vehicle in question as part of the tax calculation?

I know from when we lived in Europe that road tax was calculated according to the vehicles weight. I think our Jeep Liberty would have had a road tax of about 350.00...every 3 months! They call it an ownership tax though, if I remember correctly.

We all know a semi with a loaded trailer inflicts much more wear and tear on a road surface then a Maverick, so a different taxation level?

Just look at the asphalt deformation at a highway intersection/red light where trucks have to stop repeatedly. The asphalt is almost squished out play dough.

Just another thought trying to compare apples to apples, not just the fuel burn rate.

Have a good one,

Andy

They don’t calculate the weight of a vehicle for gas tax in general why would they do it for a hybrid?

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[SafetyGuy]

They don’t calculate the weight of a vehicle for gas tax in general why would they do it for a hybrid?

Hmmm, how about this/these thought(s)?

In ICE-only vehicles the larger and heavier the vehicle the more fuel consumption will increase in proportion to the vehicle in question. This is the old way of fuel taxation for road maintenance.

Now with hybrid and electric-only vehicles that fuel tax is being reduced.

So is it logical then, that an ownership tax may be more appropriate if calculate on the weight of our vehicles instead of fuel burnt?

BEV's are far heavier then a hybrid vehicle (due to battery size), and the hybrid auto may be heavier then the comparable ICE only vehicle.

everyone should pay equally to have our roads maintained is a possible reason for the system to adapt to the new reality of different propulsion systems.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[Phimosis]

Hmmm, how about this/these thought(s)?

In ICE-only vehicles the larger and heavier the vehicle the more fuel consumption will increase in proportion to the vehicle in question. This is the old way of fuel taxation for road maintenance.

Now with hybrid and electric-only vehicles that fuel tax is being reduced.

So is it logical then, that an ownership tax may be more appropriate if calculate on the weight of our vehicles instead of fuel burnt?

BEV's are far heavier then a hybrid vehicle (due to battery size), and the hybrid auto may be heavier then the comparable ICE only vehicle.

everyone should pay equally to have our roads maintained is a possible reason for the system to adapt to the new reality of different propulsion systems.

Cheers,

Andy

People in the US would be up in arms over a vehicle owners tax because it would be unfair to many.

For example, if you have a small car hauling business using a full sized pickup to tow, you’re going to be using lots of fuel and paying lots of fuel tax….. and you’ll be causing lots of wear to the road system.

On the other hand, if you’re retired and own a full sized pickup, but only drive it 2,000 miles a year, you’re not going to pay very much fuel tax….. but you also won’t be causing very much damage to roads.

Moving to a system where everyone pays the same amount, regardless of how may miles are driven, is unfair.

 

[dochawk]

n ICE-only vehicles the larger and heavier the vehicle the more fuel consumption will increase in proportion to the vehicle in question.

iirc, road damage goes up geometrically with vehicle weight.

 

[710-oil-614]

Hmmm, how about this/these thought(s)?

In ICE-only vehicles the larger and heavier the vehicle the more fuel consumption will increase in proportion to the vehicle in question. This is the old way of fuel taxation for road maintenance.

Now with hybrid and electric-only vehicles that fuel tax is being reduced.

So is it logical then, that an ownership tax may be more appropriate if calculate on the weight of our vehicles instead of fuel burnt?

BEV's are far heavier then a hybrid vehicle (due to battery size), and the hybrid auto may be heavier then the comparable ICE only vehicle.

everyone should pay equally to have our roads maintained is a possible reason for the system to adapt to the new reality of different propulsion systems.

Cheers,

Andy

If we were to do that we would need to look at the average weight of passenger vehicles over time as most BEVs are still lighter than the land yachts floating around in the 70s

 

[SafetyGuy]

People in the US would be up in arms over a vehicle owners tax because it would be unfair to many.

For example, if you have a small car hauling business using a full sized pickup to tow, you’re going to be using lots of fuel and paying lots of fuel tax….. and you’ll be causing lots of wear to the road system.

On the other hand, if you’re retired and own a full sized pickup, but only drive it 2,000 miles a year, you’re not going to pay very much fuel tax….. but you also won’t be causing very much damage to roads.

Moving to a system where everyone pays the same amount, regardless of how may miles are driven, is unfair.

I think you may have made my point for me.

One disclaimer for those who may read this discussion...this is only an exchange of thoughts and ideas in a reasonable way...a discussion. I am not a troll trying to stir things up.

In this scenario, the larger and heavier the vehicle, the more "ownership tax" is charged...monthly, whatever. You have a giant Hummer to get groceries, so be it. You make a choice and pay an appropriate tax flat rate.

The more you drive said beast, the more fuel you use and more tax (fuel) you pay. Only drive a little, you use less fuel and pay less tax that way.

Want to reduce the "ownership tax", get something smaller and more efficient like a Maverick...or a Prius, what ever suits your needs and budget.

Electric vehicles are different as their power source can be a supercharger or a 110 volt extension cord in the garage. Again a ownership tax should be levelled, again reflective as to the size and weight of the vehicle (think Hummer EV...!) versus, say, an efficient EV. A yearly mileage tax may be required to replace an appropriate fuel tax. The larger the vehicle the higher the mileage (fuel) tax per mile/km.

I am sure there are lots of better ideas on how everyone could pay an appropriate (fair) amount of tax to support the road system enjoyed by all.

I like nice roads, and Europe has them in spades and trust me, if you use fuel you pay your fair share of tax to keep them that way.

I know many want everything for free and not pay any tax etc etc etc, but that isn't sustainable in my eyes, either in road maintenance or environmentally. The trick is to do it fairly, or as close to fairly as possible.

I hope I haven't upset anyone, not my goal!

Have a good one,

Andy

 

[SafetyGuy]

If we were to do that we would need to look at the average weight of passenger vehicles over time as most BEVs are still lighter than the land yachts floating around in the 70s

Tell me about it! Wow, we had a lot of awful, ugly fuel guzzling pigs for cars rolling around the highways and byways.

But, I can't think of how that can be part of the math...but remember how cars shrunk due to the oil embargo? I was very young at the time but I still remember it. And driving them.

We had a truck for farm work, and a Ford Festiva...base model of course, for everything else.

Cheers,

Andy

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