Fully electric Maverick EV a possibility?

[Glen Baker LLC]

Maybe trust buyers to know their driving habits in advance of making a purchase.

True.
I also see it as limiting spontaneity.
Even if you don't bring extra gas or an empty can, generally you can buy gas from a rancher or an ATV Rider. I had to buy gas from a rancher when I was riding my motorcycle and overestimated the range. Wind is a real mpg killer on a motorcycle. Pound for pound my motorcycle got less MPG than my Maverick.
That opportunity drops to absolutely zero with an EV.
The numbers out here in the West are pretty dismal for EV infrastructure/charging locations.
Especially if you wander beyond the tether range of a city or highway.

Montana has 121 EV charging locations.
Wyoming has 118 EV charging stations.
Idaho has 242 EV charging stations.
Utah has 100 EV charging stations.
New Mexico has 456 EV charging stations.
Nevada has over 600 public electric vehicle (EV) charging stations, with a significant concentration in the Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise area, which boasts 1,889 public charging stations. While Nevada has a top-10 ranking for EV adoption, it faces a shortage of infrastructure, ranking in the bottom 10 states for charger availability per EV.

That all said, I'd still love a range extended plug-in Maverick.

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[tiktokbrainrot]

If I could get an EV maverick with Silverado EV range I'd already own one. 200 miles towing a trailer covers my worst edge case.

Nothing accelerated as quickly as the Ford Lightening, but that's the only EV, I have ridden in. It is very quiet and the weight makes for a very good ride. Pulling a loaded trailer sucked the battery down quickly and, imo, that's what killed it. Farmers and Ranchers need a truck that performs work. On the other side, I think a smaller EV to use as a commuter would be perfect and more economical than gas. The local company that owns the Lightening also has a couple of the small Chevrolet EV. They report that they operate at 1/6 the cost of gasoline. With the current run up in fuel prices, that will make an electric vehicle to get back and forth to work, a good choice.

Range was the killer. The Lightning was far better in every way then the silverado in things like acceleration, interior quality, software, ece. Even the charging, because the Chevy chraging system is a bug riddled mess that, when it works right, is great, but the moment it doesnt its screwed.

But barely making 100 miles towing a trailer just wont cut it.

Along time ago in Popular Mechanics they did an article on a home made EV, bout 1985 ish.

It goes Thustly:

A dude got a 1985 Chevy S-10.
Gutted that puppy.
Cooling system,
Exhaust system,
Engine and tranny gone.

Built a tilt bed and reinforced the frame.
I think it was a 56 VDC system, heavy lead acid 105 amp hour deep cycle batteries.
I think it was twenty for about
1600 or 1700 pounds.

Bought a used electric fork lift motor and a box of brushes. Plus the controller and mounted the charger on board,
He opened the old gas cap door in the side of the bed and reeled out his heavy duty extension cord and plugged in to any 117 V outlet.

He worked at his Dads auto parts store and did deliveries with the EV.
He could plug it in anytime he was at the store.

Range around town 85-90 miles,
Zero to sixty, about the next light. It was as fast as any 4 banger gasser of the day.
Top speed, no tranny remember ?
62 mph.

Cost of everything but the truck he already had. Around six thousand.
The truck had blown its gas engine anyway.

Everything worked flawlessly with fork lift reliability. :XD

The box of commutator brushes, each would last about 3 months, a set cost about $15

The truck rode good with all the batteries and after he beefed up everything he could haul 800 pounds of cargo.

Pretty cool I thought.
My point, these new fancy EV’s should be doing far better on the range end of it.

A used forklift brushed motor and super heavy wet batteries netted 85-90 miles,

Our current EV fleet across all makers should be with lithium tech batteries well past 350 miles, in the winter, hauling loads and pulling trailers.



U can’t touch dis !

There's a lot more to EVs then just range. Reliability, for example. Those lead acid batteries SUCKED and within 2 years of regular discharge would need replaced. We have lithium cars pushing 300k miles now.

Same with those brushes. 3 month service life? ROFLMAO. Modem electric motors laugh at that concept.

Dad, ya gotta get with the times: a) the infrastructure IS in place, ya just gotta look it up on your apps, & b) the range on EVs has increased dramatically esp for smaller vehicles like Mav sized.

You really shouldnt be calling other people dad and lecturing them on things while being wrong. The infrastructure is NOT in place. If I go down my state highway, there are no public charging stations for 200 miles. The few chargers that do exist are at dealerships, limited to 42kWh, and charge $0.85 per kWh with a $5 starting fee. Infeasible to do any sort of long distance driving with that as your only option. Sure, you live in LA and never leave the county EVs are fully ready for primetime, but if you go long distance or tow things, nope.

Highway range is still an issue too. Mid 250 ish mile range is the norm now and has been for over 15 years. The cars that do 400+ are FAR outside the price range of even two mavericks! Then you have to calculate that you are only using 70% of your battery capacity (dont charge over 80% or below 10%) to charger hop in a time efficient manner, and you have to take significant range off for cold or hot weather, which in the midwest is half the year. Suddenly that 310 mile EPA range, which is actually only about 280 miles IRL if you go 100-0, suddenly becomes 192 miles if you follow the 80-10 rule, then declines to ~150 in the winter.

They are better then they were but they are far from primetime. When I can find a bank of 350kW chargers in every town and every corner in big cites like I can find gas now, and EVs can reliably hit 300-350 miles on that 80-10% charge in the winter with the heater blasting, for $40k, THEN they are fully ready to replace ICE.

We are a long way from that.

 

[tiktokbrainrot]

Maybe trust buyers to know their driving habits in advance of making a purchase.

Buyers dont understand APR, or down payments, or negative equity, or even comprehend that their TRD off road package uses expensive off road tires that dont track great on the highway and are noisy. Why on earth would we trust that they have put in the thought to track out their life to see if an EV would work?

It's not hard to find testimonials of people who bought EVs then realized they cant charge it, or it doesn't reach where they want to go.

 

[MetalThunder]

from what i read any new ford will be a rolling data center - yours lol Here in Michigan i'm not giving DTE any more money than needed

DTE seeks 10% electric rate increase tied to data center, reprieve

and then there is this lol
"Electric vehicles (EVs) generally have lower operating costs due to cheaper fuel and reduced maintenance needs compared to gas cars, which often have a lower initial purchase price. However, the total cost of ownership can be similar over time, depending on driving habits and local fuel prices. "

Ford's face-scanning patent alarms experts

Cheers

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

If I could get an EV maverick with Silverado EV range I'd already own one. 200 miles towing a trailer covers my worst edge case.
Range was the killer. The Lightning was far better in every way then the silverado in things like acceleration, interior quality, software, ece. Even the charging, because the Chevy chraging system is a bug riddled mess that, when it works right, is great, but the moment it doesnt its screwed.

But barely making 100 miles towing a trailer just wont cut it.

There's a lot more to EVs then just range. Reliability, for example. Those lead acid batteries SUCKED and within 2 years of regular discharge would need replaced. We have lithium cars pushing 300k miles now.

Same with those brushes. 3 month service life? ROFLMAO. Modem electric motors laugh at that concept.

You really shouldnt be calling other people dad and lecturing them on things while being wrong. The infrastructure is NOT in place. If I go down my state highway, there are no public charging stations for 200 miles. The few chargers that do exist are at dealerships, limited to 42kWh, and charge $0.85 per kWh with a $5 starting fee. Infeasible to do any sort of long distance driving with that as your only option. Sure, you live in LA and never leave the county EVs are fully ready for primetime, but if you go long distance or tow things, nope.

Highway range is still an issue too. Mid 250 ish mile range is the norm now and has been for over 15 years. The cars that do 400+ are FAR outside the price range of even two mavericks! Then you have to calculate that you are only using 70% of your battery capacity (dont charge over 80% or below 10%) to charger hop in a time efficient manner, and you have to take significant range off for cold or hot weather, which in the midwest is half the year. Suddenly that 310 mile EPA range, which is actually only about 280 miles IRL if you go 100-0, suddenly becomes 192 miles if you follow the 80-10 rule, then declines to ~150 in the winter.

They are better then they were but they are far from primetime. When I can find a bank of 350kW chargers in every town and every corner in big cites like I can find gas now, and EVs can reliably hit 300-350 miles on that 80-10% charge in the winter with the heater blasting, for $40k, THEN they are fully ready to replace ICE.

We are a long way from that.

Don't forget, according to EV owners. They never charge their vehicles up to 100%. It takes too long and it's bad for the battery, add to that they never drive their EV down to zero.
80% of 150 miles = 120 miles.
Out of that 120 MI do you dare drive it down to zero or as recommended stop at 20%.
Now that means that you're 150 Mi range vehicle on the road after a 80% recharge you've only got 95 to 100 miles of range.
So what is the real practical range of the 150 mi. EV you're buying?
As long as I've got a 2 gallon gas can in the back of my Maverick. I know I've got emergency range.

 

[Blue_Max]

True.
I also see it as limiting spontaneity.
Even if you don't bring extra gas or an empty can, generally you can buy gas from a rancher or an ATV Rider. I had to buy gas from a rancher when I was riding my motorcycle and overestimated the range.
That opportunity drops to absolutely zero with an EV.
The numbers out here in the West are pretty dismal for EV infrastructure/charging locations.
Especially if you wander beyond the tether range of a city or highway.

Montana has 121 EV charging locations.
Wyoming has 118 EV charging stations.
Idaho has 242 EV charging stations.
Utah has 100 EV charging stations.
New Mexico has 456 EV charging stations.
Nevada has over 600 public electric vehicle (EV) charging stations, with a significant concentration in the Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise area, which boasts 1,889 public charging stations. While Nevada has a top-10 ranking for EV adoption, it faces a shortage of infrastructure, ranking in the bottom 10 states for charger availability per EV.

That all said, I'd still love a range extended plug-in Maverick.

I'm beginning to wonder if maybe an EV is not the right vehicle for you.

 

[Blue_Max]

Buyers dont understand APR, or down payments, or negative equity, or even comprehend that their TRD off road package uses expensive off road tires that dont track great on the highway and are noisy. Why on earth would we trust that they have put in the thought to track out their life to see if an EV would work?

It's not hard to find testimonials of people who bought EVs then realized they cant charge it, or it doesn't reach where they want to go.

So you wanna ban sales of EVs to protect them, or what?

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

I'm beginning to wonder if maybe an EV is not the right vehicle for you.

You're probably right.
Although...
I would gladly buy a range extended plug-in Maverick.
I'll pay for the convenience of not having to stop at a gas station or be forced to plug in.

 

[babytruk]

As a fun road trip experiment I rented a Tesla to drive from Maine to Miami. First it was with a Tesla because of its computer and linked charging stations.
Second because rental car companies did not fare well with renting EVs so the price is cheaper for the rental. I rent them all the time because it’s cheap. It may take 1/2 hour per charge but is around $17-$28 depending on state.
I planned bathroom breaks and food around the charging stops.
Some hotels, shopping centers, and restaurants had free charging (east coast perk?)
I’ve done the same trip with gas several times and “very surprisingly” it didn’t take much more time and I was less stressed.
Instead of standing at a pump to get gas, then going in and ordering, then using the bathroom… I got stuff done while plugged in.
Gas easily wins if it’s a race and I’m eating while driving, and have a 2nd person at the pumps.
Sounds like I like EVs? NOPE!!!

 

[Triangle6887]

The current Maverick platform won't support an EV setup and their plugin hybrid sold horribly on the Escape, which was on the same platform, so I highly doubt they launch a PHEV.

Oddly enough their PHEV Ranger sells quite well in Europe and Australia. I wonder why we have such an aversion to PHEV systems in the US?

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

Oddly enough their PHEV Ranger sells quite well in Europe and Australia. I wonder why we have such an aversion to PHEV systems in the US?

I don't​

When I owned my Chevy Volt and going to work everyday. I didn't mind not having to go to a gas station for months on end.​

My second gen vault had a decent 52 mile electric range and got decent gas only 42 mpg. ​

BUT It didn't have a bed and it was a pain in my back to get in and out of.​

I won't even mention doing 80MPH speed limit through Utah and the hit that it takes on the EV battery.​

Driving a Ford Mustang Mach-E from Las Vegas to Ogden, Utah (~450–470 miles) takes approximately 7.5 to 9 hours, including 1–2 charging stops. While driving time is roughly 6.5–7 hours, 45–90 minutes of charging is typical, generally making the trip 1–1.5 hours longer than in a gas-powered car.
Typical Trip Details
Distance: Approximately 450–470 miles, primarily via I-15 N.
Driving Time: \(\approx \) 6.5 - 7 hours (without stops).
Charging Stops: 1–2 stops (e.g., St. George, UT, Cedar City, UT, or Provo, UT).
EV Fanboys like to spew, 'You eat when you pull over to charge.' It's nothing but a excuse, to compensate for the long or frequent inadequate -100% charge times.
If I leave home after breakfast. I sure as hell am not ready to eat 90 minutes later in St George or another hour later in Cedar City.
Total Time: \(\approx \) 7.5 - 9 hours.
Charging Time: 30–45 minutes per stop (DC Fast Charging).

 

[bgn]

Oddly enough their PHEV Ranger sells quite well in Europe and Australia. I wonder why we have such an aversion to PHEV systems in the US?

Too expensive for the gas savings over the life of the vehicle. Same reason why they cancelled the Escape PHEV imo.

The numbers are different in Europe. They pay a lot more money for gas.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

Too expensive for the gas savings over the life of the vehicle. Same reason why they cancelled the Escape PHEV imo.

The numbers are different in Europe. They pay a lot more money for gas.

We're getting there.

 

[themartymac]

Too expensive for the gas savings over the life of the vehicle. Same reason why they cancelled the Escape PHEV imo.

The numbers are different in Europe. They pay a lot more money for gas.

Gas is much more expensive in Canada too, and here in Victoria BC where the city is small and weather is mild, you can't throw a stone without hitting three EVs. We are certainly dominated by Left-coast Liberals who leverage an EV as status, but the vehicles truly pay for themselves several times over.

Move up to the interior of the Province or the prairies where the winters are cold and the drives are very long, you see very few of them. Even a gas F150 gets acceptable highway mileage these days, plus all the big vehicle benefits including space/cargo and 'unlimited range'. The EV/PHEV just doesn't pay off for most families up there, and there is still a rural 'identify' that encourages full-size trucks and SUV's for image as much as function.

The european travel distances and urban densities are much more conducive to limited-range vehicles that maximize mileage, and are parkable in tight streets like here in Victoria. And if Jeremy Clarkson has taught me anything, they frown on folks who try to wedge American-sized cars into cobblestone alleys! lol

 

[babytruk]

Gas is much more expensive in Canada too, and here in Victoria BC where the city is small and weather is mild, you can't throw a stone without hitting three EVs. We are certainly dominated by Left-coast Liberals who leverage an EV as status, but the vehicles truly pay for themselves several times over.

Move up to the interior of the Province or the prairies where the winters are cold and the drives are very long, you see very few of them. Even a gas F150 gets acceptable highway mileage these days, plus all the big vehicle benefits including space/cargo and 'unlimited range'. The EV/PHEV just doesn't pay off for most families up there, and there is still a rural 'identify' that encourages full-size trucks and SUV's for image as much as function.

The european travel distances and urban densities are much more conducive to limited-range vehicles that maximize mileage, and are parkable in tight streets like here in Victoria. And if Jeremy Clarkson has taught me anything, they frown on folks who try to wedge American-sized cars into cobblestone alleys! lol

Are there a lot of diesels in the interior BC? North American diesel prices are crazy so you may not get the euro $$ benefits in the “frozen tundra”.

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