Charging Cycles

[The Real Maverick]

When your Mav powers all wheels in Slippery mode, I don't know for sure, but I would think putting it in Slippery mode tells the truck that you are on a slippery surface, and it uses all available traction (as in all wheels instead of just front wheels) to better control traction. It doesn't know that you're just using it in an effort to increase mpg.
It's quite possible that on a fwd hybrid, it may be able to improve mpg.

I've only tried Slippery mode a couple of times and unless you're ready for the braking characteristics, I kinda think it's dangerous.
The first time I tried it, it almost felt like the brakes were failing, because I had to press the pedal harder to get the braking that I needed. I think it's trying to modulate the brakes so you don't go sliding on a "slippery" surface.
I'm actually tempted to see if I can remove Slippery mode in Forscan.

I don't have a '25 or AWD.

But unlikely the 25's are much different than the others.

Run Slippery mode consistently for a week.
If higher MPG (city) is your goal, you'll love it after an adjustment period. I think after a week it will become the new normal for you and you'll lose the memory of how the other modes feel.

Changing modes all the time can get a little distracting / unnerving. I get it. But I've used slippery mode for 30,000 miles out of 39,000. 9k I was towing something and did not.

Slippery helps, but is not the only reason I get these fantastic results. How you use your feet on the pedals is the #1 reason. You still have to play your "instrument".

Slippery mode is like having 6 fingers per hand when playing the piano. I still have to do the work, but it's an advantage.

Most advantage comes in rolling hills followed by stop n go driving.

No advantage in steady rate cruising on the highway.

The terrain here was hilly. But no net elevation change. I ended where I started. Coasting really boosts MPG.

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[MakinDoForNow]

When your Mav powers all wheels in Slippery mode, I don't know for sure, but I would think putting it in Slippery mode tells the truck that you are on a slippery surface, and it uses all available traction (as in all wheels instead of just front wheels) to better control traction. It doesn't know that you're just using it in an effort to increase mpg.
It's quite possible that on a fwd hybrid, it may be able to improve mpg.

I've only tried Slippery mode a couple of times and unless you're ready for the braking characteristics, I kinda think it's dangerous.
The first time I tried it, it almost felt like the brakes were failing, because I had to press the pedal harder to get the braking that I needed. I think it's trying to modulate the brakes so you don't go sliding on a "slippery" surface.
I'm actually tempted to see if I can remove Slippery mode in Forscan.

There was someone claiming to drive most of time in slippery. He was also reporting that his rear brakes and rotors were needing replacement. Obviously brake problem whether due to that or not, who knows, but many drive in slippery a lot and are not reporting early brake wear. (FYI = I got me a new bumper sticker = "I BRAKE FOR BRISKET!!!".
The difference in brake pedal travel distance exists in all drive modes depends on the differences in the amount of regen braking in each mode including when in "L" mode.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

Some have reported that they can get better mpg driving in standard than econ but they have developed their pedal control and can balance the amount of regen with there use of electric use. It is much easier for me to use slippery mode. Occasionally I will use neutral instead of slippery when I want further coasting with 0 Regen. (Balance rolling and wind resistance with downhill coasting speed gain, but have to drop into drive to get regen if needed).

 

[Cherokee]

ahh, yes. Good old "Oklahoma overdrive" . . .

I had the same question early on—those constant charge cycles felt excessive. But from what I’ve read, hybrids are designed for that, and regen braking is actually good for battery health. It still feels weird at first, but I’ve come to trust the system. Curious to see how it holds up long-term though.

Next door Neighbor had the 2016 Ford Fushion Hybrid sedan. 150,000 miles in the clock and not one single Issue.
Him and His wife are corn fed and country raised, really big folks. The two kids were big Boys. They all went every where together.
He was very happy with 41 mpg.

When your Mav powers all wheels in Slippery mode, I don't know for sure, but I would think putting it in Slippery mode tells the truck that you are on a slippery surface, and it uses all available traction (as in all wheels instead of just front wheels) to better control traction. It doesn't know that you're just using it in an effort to increase mpg.
It's quite possible that on a fwd hybrid, it may be able to improve mpg.

I've only tried Slippery mode a couple of times and unless you're ready for the braking characteristics, I kinda think it's dangerous.
The first time I tried it, it almost felt like the brakes were failing, because I had to press the pedal harder to get the braking that I needed. I think it's trying to modulate the brakes so you don't go sliding on a "slippery" surface.
I'm actually tempted to see if I can remove Slippery mode in Forscan.

Slippery mode works well for me on gravel inclines, hydroplane conditions, winter conditions. It’s the ONLY alternate profile I find usefull.
Eco mode sucks, makes my engine feel like it needs a tune up and does a nothing to improve my gas mileage.

If I towed tow/haul would be effective.
Sport mode, my foot controls my throttle just fine, to me it’s useless.

 

[HeyBales]

I think it's due to a more efficient use of the regen braking, where Slippery mode makes it easier to recapture more during braking than the other modes

All the modes if you start coasting to 5 mph from the same speed on a level road - you'll get the same amount of regen, eventually.

If you apply the brakes to a degree that keeps it in regen - you'll get that same amount of regen.
Doesn't matter if drive mode setting caused the regen automatically, or you manually.
Obviously the longer you go the very slight difference of road/tire/air resistance taking some power can occur.

The modes don't change efficiency for the system for regen or braking or EV usage.
They change your interaction with the systems thru the pedals - to potentially make it easier to maximize what's possibly available.

If you have a problem punching the Go pedal past the 10% power line and turning on the ICE, or nailing a true coast - Slippery mode will help the most to toe the line, then Eco, then Normal.
(since coasting more gives best mpg, that's why)

If you have a problem punching the brake pedal past the regen into the physical brakes - Eco will apply the most regen automatically, then Normal, then Slippery. (actually Low on any of those the most)

The Go pedal does have much more range of movement compared to brake pedal. Just an observation. But the mode changes how much range on Go pedal more than brake I think.
It's what you can get used to for your common driving scenarios, and what they may allow.

 

[identifyasatruck]

i use Eco mode with the L button 99% of the time and i get really good MPG. the only time i dont use ECO, i use Regular mode until my engine temperature gauge gets a line to show up. Brake pedal doesn't feel right without the L button assist.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

i use Eco mode with the L button 99% of the time and i get really good MPG. the only time i dont use ECO, i use Regular mode until my engine temperature gauge gets a line to show up. Brake pedal doesn't feel right without the L button assist.

The manual recommends not using Low all the time says it could be detrimental. As I remember it did not say why.
Edit to add: I checked my 2022 hybrid manual. The only reference I saw to the L button was in automatic transmission section where it says to press L when in Drive to enter this mode and long term usage could affect mpg. So apparently only for the 2.0 EB trucks. I have used L in my 2.5 Hybrid 2022. The only affect I have noticed that no matter which drive mode I selected the ice would quickly in 4 miles or so it would start engine braking. I assumed the Regen braking was maximized and the HVB was filling up and electric drive was reduced or maybe eliminated.

 

[The Real Maverick]

i use Eco mode with the L button 99% of the time and i get really good MPG. the only time i dont use ECO, i use Regular mode until my engine temperature gauge gets a line to show up. Brake pedal doesn't feel right without the L button assist.

It's a free country. You can do that if you want. It DOES stress the hybrid high voltage battery more.

To each his own.

I tow a lot as my freedom to choose but never use L. (Well almost never.)

You want to be as gentle to the battery as possible, not be as vigorous as possible. Right?

But. If it's a 3 year lease or something, I can understand why you're not concerned.

 

[identifyasatruck]

It's a free country. You can do that if you want. It DOES stress the hybrid high voltage battery more.

To each his own.

I tow a lot as my freedom to choose but never use L. (Well almost never.)

You want to be as gentle to the battery as possible, not be as vigorous as possible. Right?

But. If it's a 3 year lease or something, I can understand why you're not concerned.

i am cool with it.

when i sold my 6 year old Nissan Hybrid...noone asked about the HV battery condition. no one even asked about the total EV Miles in the Odometer. I was sure that if i showed almost 50% of total miles was in EV a buyer would consider the lower stress on the ICE and i could get more money...nobody cared.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

i am cool with it.

when i sold my 6 year old Nissan Hybrid...noone asked about the HV battery condition. no one even asked about the total EV Miles in the Odometer. I was sure that if i showed almost 50% of total miles was in EV a buyer would consider the lower stress on the ICE and i could get more money...nobody cared.

So what mpg are you getting? % of electric?

 

[identifyasatruck]

So what mpg are you getting? % of electric?

i am getting just over 50%. i never reset my Trip1. sorry for the glare in the pic

 

[MakinDoForNow]

i am getting just over 50%. i never reset my Trip1. sorry for the glare in the pic

I have 40,300 miles on my 2022 but my trip1 was reset. I am not sure what period my electric miles is for when displayed. Total or since reset. Primarily display is set to "This Trip". Also lead foot wife generally just puts in D and doesn't select a mode. Truck displays 39mpg and electric miles to gross miles which includes 36 miles on truck when delivered looks like about 26%. When I drive I get 6-8 mpg more than wife.

 

[Escapologist]

While sealed lead acid used for emergency lights and such might define a "cycle" as any time you use it for a handful of percent and charge it back up again, the way cycles are determined for Lithium chemistries means that used in a hybrid the way they are, doing a lot of bouncing around in the middle, they don't actually do many cycles.

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