Brake pad replacement

[Zotman]

I wonder if on a Hybrid the most brake wear occurs when using Slippery Mode because that provides the most coasting/least regen?

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[yamahaSHO]

ceremics are 10 times better than metallic or semi-metallic pads. why any company still makes those garbage pads is beyond me. and shame on ford for using them. i got mine from oriellys. have been on for over 11000 miles. no dust on my good wheels and shorter stopping distance.

Depends what you're asking them to do. Low dust, yeah ceramics are good. For heavier usage suge as towing, racing, etc, ceramic is not particularly what I would go with. They certainly are not garbage. I've never used a ceramic pad that has given me confidence when I'm using them in heavier duty applications.

 

[GPSMan]

It depends on whether the regen system needs the brakes engaged to work. It's probably going to be less either way.

It does not.

You can slow the Maverick with regeneration only, if you keep the power needle in the green and off the peg, until the battery gets full.... down to 3 mph. At 3 mph and under it's all friction.

If you brake hard enough and the needle hits the "peg" (100% regen force) then it's a mixture of regen and fricrion slowing you, until the battery is full.

With a full battery it will be all fricrion unless you ride the brake too long. Then it will automatically start engine braking via a simulated down shift. The hybrid does not shift, but it will "shift" the operating strategy to mimic a down shift.

Does EB automatically downshift if you ride the brake for 20 - 30 seconds without a brake cool down period? Hybrids do. I suspect EB will also.

 

[GPSMan]

I wonder if on a Hybrid the most brake wear occurs when using Slippery Mode because that provides the most coasting/least regen?

No.

Well, probably no. But it depends on the human driver. If you keep the regen needle in the green but off the peg, you are not using friction brakes. A hard stop in ANY mode will use friction brakes.

 

[GPSMan]

Safe bet: the average hybrid owner will go 125,000 to 150,000 per set of brake pads.

Those "gentle" drivers that get above average MPG will be able to go 200,000+ miles on a set of brake pads.

 

[Old Ford Guy]

Regen reduces brake pad wear a lot. Someone posted (either on here or the reddit subforum) that their 2005 Escape Hybrid's brake pads lasted 200,000 miles.

full disclosure i am NOT a master mechanic by any definition of the term....but from this site & others plus what little the manual tells us my understanding of the hybrid braking system is that it favors using rengenerative braking to slow/stop until or unless the brake pedal pressure; speed and if so equipped the collision avoidance system inputs cause the MCU unit to trigger more aggressive hydraulic braking.
ergo my belief that hybrid brake wear should be far slower than what my Ecoboost friends will experience. how much less remains to be seen as driving styles & conditions will have a big impact as well.

 

[Old Ford Guy]

No.

Well, probably no. But it depends on the human driver. If you keep the regen needle in the green but off the peg, you are not using friction brakes. A hard stop in ANY mode will use friction brakes.

correct, as far as i know & understand that is exactly the way the hybrid braking system is designed to operate. regen 1st, then friction braking as needed. the human operator will AlWAYS have more impact, good or bad on brake pad wear than any MCU algorithm ever does.

 

[Montana]

I think there is also some confusion on what "ceramic" actually is. It's not full send race ceramics... mid grade ceramics are still a blend. The issue is the ones FORD is currently using on the Escapes, Mavericks, and Broncos are very very very cheap pads. You can buy the non ceramic normal ones and they will still be much better than the ones coming from the factory. PowerStop is a good brand and they offer a good variety. I personally had issues on both an Escape and the Maverick that were visual and you could feel the groves forming on the rotors with the factory pads. And I'm a very light, casual, relaxed driver. I put about 9k miles on per year.

Never replaced the Escape ones because I had no plans to keep it, but the Maverick it was night and day after replacing. I've put about 3k on since replacing and the wear is obviously better on the rotors. I've never had an issue with brake dust either, as I clean far too often to notice.

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