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And, it's not like it's hurting. For average on the road it's very adequate.
Actually it's quick from a stop for a hybrid.
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Actually it's quick from a stop for a hybrid.
Not as quick as the 2026 Ford 50/50 Hybrid in the Redbull F1 car. Should be in a car & on the test track soon.
Maybe eventual trickle down to the Maverick Hybrid:)
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Windsor is old school, cheap and simple. Coyotes are new tech MONSTERS when built. I'll take the coyote every time.

Most of those Ranger/Windsor swaps were probably done 20-30 years ago, long before the Coyotes existed.
nah a lot of them are pretty recent most guys don't have 10K to stick in buckboard,you can find Windsors around here,Coyote most come from blue oval racing( better get the harness as well!
 

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Increase your budget. The old saying when the kid asks "how fast can you make this" is "How much you got to spend?" Racing is not for broke people. But can can work your way up to a decent level with the right starting point.

My Coyote Mustang was an 11 second car out of the showroom new. After boost and fuel system it's in the 9's. That was my financial limit for when I built the car. $40k for the car, and $20k in upgrades a year later. My goal was a 9 second car, and that was achieved with a stock unopened engine.

Only 2 60 's Muscle cars were faster when this car was just a stock 3,800# car. The 64 Thunderbolt 427, and 68 Hemi Dart/Cuda factory race cars. My Coyote hit the 9's without ever removing the valve covers. A Windsor could never do that. Not even the 427 Thunderbolt or 426 Hemi Dart could either. Speed costs money. But modern engines make it easier! Pay if you want to play.
most of us just want an upgrade or have a bad stock engine,I suspect it would be cheaper to turbo the 4 cyl then radical engine bay surgery,we live in Appalachia,we don't have thousands of "hobby dollars"floating around( occasionally you find an SBC in a
do a quick web search for "miata coyote swap". There have been plenty.

The problem with a v8 swap in a Miata is that the swap is cheep (off the shelf kits you can order!), but then you have to spend more than that on the suspension (a stock simple 5.0 dropped in left the test car floating off it's suspension as it hit 150!). You also usually lose the AC (which where I live, is a big deal. You can feel the stock Miata AC at 80 with the top down!)



Cadillac Northstar. 300hp, just plain awesome. It's not trying to race out of control, but you ask for torque, and it casually supplies, just like a big block.

I liked the 200HP of the prior 4.9 in a '92 Eldorado Touring Coupe, but the 300 is just spectacular. Going up a grade at 70 or 80 and need power? no problem. No fuss, no whine, just torque.

A friend had me drive his 400hp Mercedes, similar size and. mass to my '97 Eldorado ETC, just to show me.

You could tell the difference in response at full throttle--but it was "can tell", not "wow". For that size/mass, 300 really covers all you can use under normal situations--whereas the change in response from 200 to 300 is nice in normal driving.

[OK, I have a car problem in general, and more specifically a Cadillac problem. I'm about to build an oversized six car garage, and a Northstar is one of the "must havs]
]



I'm assuming it was '71 or older? deduct almost a third of HP to compare, as the switch to reporting net instead of gross happened in '72. Just as an example, the '71 Eldorado reported 365hp, while the '72 reported 235 hp--but they're practically identical. (the '71 used the higher compression cam from the '70 , but the net & gross for the two years are identical. ). Some other vehicles had lower proportionate drop, but almost /3 is a vaguely good fuzzy estimate.

So call that 250hp when comparing.

Also, peak HP was at far lower RPM on those old engines!

If you put the power curves from my '72 Eldorado with a 500 and 235 net hp, and my '97 edorado ETC with a Northstar and 300 net hp side by side, the nominally higher HP Northstar isn't even close to the HP & torque the 500 puts out at the same RPM, up until past the peak power of the 500.

If you could defy the laws of physics to somehow cram the 500 into the engine bay of the '97, and then connect it, it would rip the transmission out! (that said, put them side by side, and the older one will quickly see the taillights of the ligh4er newer one!)




Hey, leave my '72 out of this!

It can get double digit MPG. Well, coasting downhill with the engine off, and . . .
472 and 500 for CKs!
 

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My 1970 Chevy Nova was 307 cubic inches. My Maverick EB is only 122 cubic inches. That sounds even wimpier than 2.0 liter.

Maverick seems faster than the Nova though - but it’s been a long time since I gave the Nova the beans. I think there was a little button under the gas pedal that activated when floored?
 

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do a quick web search for "miata coyote swap". There have been plenty.

The problem with a v8 swap in a Miata is that the swap is cheep (off the shelf kits you can order!), but then you have to spend more than that on the suspension (a stock simple 5.0 dropped in left the test car floating off it's suspension as it hit 150!). You also usually lose the AC (which where I live, is a big deal. You can feel the stock Miata AC at 80 with the top down!)



Cadillac Northstar. 300hp, just plain awesome. It's not trying to race out of control, but you ask for torque, and it casually supplies, just like a big block.

I liked the 200HP of the prior 4.9 in a '92 Eldorado Touring Coupe, but the 300 is just spectacular. Going up a grade at 70 or 80 and need power? no problem. No fuss, no whine, just torque.

A friend had me drive his 400hp Mercedes, similar size and. mass to my '97 Eldorado ETC, just to show me.

You could tell the difference in response at full throttle--but it was "can tell", not "wow". For that size/mass, 300 really covers all you can use under normal situations--whereas the change in response from 200 to 300 is nice in normal driving.

[OK, I have a car problem in general, and more specifically a Cadillac problem. I'm about to build an oversized six car garage, and a Northstar is one of the "must havs]
]



I'm assuming it was '71 or older? deduct almost a third of HP to compare, as the switch to reporting net instead of gross happened in '72. Just as an example, the '71 Eldorado reported 365hp, while the '72 reported 235 hp--but they're practically identical. (the '71 used the higher compression cam from the '70 , but the net & gross for the two years are identical. ). Some other vehicles had lower proportionate drop, but almost /3 is a vaguely good fuzzy estimate.

So call that 250hp when comparing.

Also, peak HP was at far lower RPM on those old engines!

If you put the power curves from my '72 Eldorado with a 500 and 235 net hp, and my '97 edorado ETC with a Northstar and 300 net hp side by side, the nominally higher HP Northstar isn't even close to the HP & torque the 500 puts out at the same RPM, up until past the peak power of the 500.

If you could defy the laws of physics to somehow cram the 500 into the engine bay of the '97, and then connect it, it would rip the transmission out! (that said, put them side by side, and the older one will quickly see the taillights of the ligh4er newer one!)




Hey, leave my '72 out of this!

It can get double digit MPG. Well, coasting downhill with the engine off, and . . .
I don't have to do a search for a Coyote Miata Swap Picture LSchicago already posted one see post 50 and the 4.6 Northstar might have ran good but those engines have a lot of problems!! And people who work on them say to stay away from them!!
 

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A guy at the local metal recyclers(he worked there) seen a pretty nice caddy come across the scales( Northstar) he drove it off the scales and floored it it spun the wheels down the length of the ramp to the pit,he tried to buy it( too late it was already in the system( crusher time) I'ii bet the owner got $400 for that nice ride in scrap price,that is a distrubing trend with some people ,they would have something destroyed rather let you get any good out of it( cash for clunkers" was a good home for a lot of those people) its a thing with some people,even if it does them no good they do not want you to get any good out of it.
 

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the 4.6 Northstar might have ran good but those engines have a lot of problems!!
No, not really.

The Northstar had exactly two problems:

1) seriously overheating it the second time could toast it, causing extremely expensive repairs. By the 2000 revision, this was history.

(and understand that overheating one of these was no easy task--it was actually speeded to go 50-100 miles without coolant in an emergency, and would shut things down as heat rose and start firing on alternate sets of 4, using the cycle to cool the others).

2) they never considered the possibility that anyone would drive it like a grandma :crackup:, so it benefits from a monthly or so Italian tuneup, going from 0-freeway at full speed to clean out carbon buildup.

And people who work on them say to stay away from them!!
Not to be indelicate, but not the good ones :crackup:. Solving the only thing that kills them (ok, I know of a single exception, and it wa say daughter is a straightforward, albeit expensive, procedure--but then you have an engine good for another 300k!)[really, you just use aftermarket head bolts with a larger flange on the thread than the factory used. It's worth doing some more down in the transmission and lower while you have things opened that far.]
 

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No, not really.

The Northstar had exactly two problems:

1) seriously overheating it the second time could toast it, causing extremely expensive repairs. By the 2000 revision, this was history.

(and understand that overheating one of these was no easy task--it was actually speeded to go 50-100 miles without coolant in an emergency, and would shut things down as heat rose and start firing on alternate sets of 4, using the cycle to cool the others).

2) they never considered the possibility that anyone would drive it like a grandma :crackup:, so it benefits from a monthly or so Italian tuneup, going from 0-freeway at full speed to clean out carbon buildup.



Not to be indelicate, but not the good ones :crackup:. Solving the only thing that kills them (ok, I know of a single exception, and it wa say daughter is a straightforward, albeit expensive, procedure--but then you have an engine good for another 300k!)[really, you just use aftermarket head bolts with a larger flange on the thread than the factory used. It's worth doing some more down in the transmission and lower while you have things opened that far.]
Where was the starter on that so called great Northstar Engine?
 

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Where was the starter on that so called great Northstar Engine?
Under the intake manifold! Mounted in the V between the cylinders. Stupidest design ever. Same with the Olds Aurora V8.
 
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Well that may be your opinion. Obviously you did not attend sema 2025 with ford racing. Their marketing is quite the contrary of what you're stating. They introduced the lobo. They introduce the 300t package. More performance upgrades in the works. So i'm very confused of your statement.
They’re just trying to widen the market for the Maverick by introducing performance options while maintaining the fuel efficient economy segment
 

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Ford supposed to have Ford Custom Garage Maverick 300T Concept — a SEMA build you'll soon be able to buy as an upgrade kit.
But no use Ford putting out a v6 as maverick option or anything . they will want you to get upgraded ranger or F150 .

 

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Under the intake manifold! Mounted in the V between the cylinders. Stupidest design ever. Same with the Olds Aurora V8.
That's what I thought but He never answered the question!! And Yes a stupid design and that's what I was getting at with Him saying the Northstar engines were great.
 

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That's what I thought but He never answered the question!! And Yes a stupid design and that's what I was getting at with Him saying the Northstar engines were great.
They were great. Great at failure and problems. Head gaskets were a bad issue. Carol Shelby liked the Aurora V8 though, and even installed them in his series 2 cobra. Supercharged too. I doubt any were ever driven over 50k miles though.
 

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They were great. Great at failure and problems. Head gaskets were a bad issue. Carol Shelby liked the Aurora V8 though, and even installed them in his series 2 cobra. Supercharged too. I doubt any were ever driven over 50k miles though.
Carroll Shelby liked whatever any manufacturer would pay him to like.

The Series 1 was a fiasco. There's an excellent book about it.
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