Be easy on those Pirelli ATRs

[MakinDoForNow]

Sometimes they brand them the same but they are a different model number. So they might be pirelli atr's with a cheaper rubber.

Somebody previously mentioned continentals wearing out and I've had great luck with them buying aftermarket. They have been great tires for me. That's the kind of thing that makes me think the OEM tires aren't the same as what you can get at a tire shop.

Definitely shenanigans going on.

Of course they are not the same...
My hybrid FE lariat came with Michelin 225/60/r18 primacy A/S and show only 4-5 sizes for OEM replacements. Note that there are different ones shown as TOY type not FOR type. That can be used as replacements for the maverick. When covid hit and there a shortage of natural rubber used for the masks almost all rubber formulas and mixes were changed due to shortages that along with tread design and composition to make tires with lower rolling resistance. In any case my Michelin show a wear rating of 540 ane Michelin says 55k tire which I think is over optimistic but the 540 is set by Michelin and is not necessarily the same as 540 by a different manufacture. Michelin also says to check air pressure and signs of wear monthly and rotate every 6-8 k miles or more often if uneven wear. The primacy A/S comes with 9/32nd tread which I expect after market has 11/32nd but did not check. The after market is labeled differently as primacy ??? A/S or A/T or ?/?.

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[bdaniel230]

Are you sure about the reason you were given as excessive wear on the outer edge of a tire is because of one of these reasons:

Reasons Tires Wear on Outside Edge

Poorly Inflated Tires
Bad Wheel Alignment
Defective Ball Joints
Malfunctioning Suspension

On a brand new vehicle I suspect underinflated tires as the likely suspect.

I tend to agree, I am not convinced that the door tag on these trucks is accurate. I added a bit more air, Inflation on the WildPeak (aka WildRide) of 35 lbs is low for highway and high for rough country. I run 38-41 lbs in the tires for highway and it seems to run about right but when I get it serviced they always air it down to 36 so I think Ford really needs to look at that pressure recommendation.

 

[Decayed]

I tend to agree, I am not convinced that the door tag on these trucks is accurate. I added a bit more air, Inflation on the WildPeak (aka WildRide) of 35 lbs is low for highway and high for rough country. I run 38-41 lbs in the tires for highway and it seems to run about right but when I get it serviced they always air it down to 36 so I think Ford really needs to look at that pressure recommendation.

You might be right. I typically add 1-2 lb over and find that it's down to spec within a week - that's with all our vehicles. The only way to be sure is to keep them consistently inflated and watch the tread wear over time.

In the Mav, tire pressure is easily checked on the dash screen. There is never a reason not to be aware of the current tire pressure. It saves money on gas and keeps the tires wearing normally. It's one of the little things I like about mav - just flick the switch on the wheel to scroll through the selected screens and your tire pressures are all on a graphic. Super easy to track.

It sounds like OP spends a lot of time on rough roads though.

 

[Mavonorder]

Sometimes they brand them the same but they are a different model number. So they might be pirelli atr's with a cheaper rubber.

Somebody previously mentioned continentals wearing out and I've had great luck with them buying aftermarket. They have been great tires for me. That's the kind of thing that makes me think the OEM tires aren't the same as what you can get at a tire shop.

Definitely shenanigans going on.

Making tires that last less than 40k miles is just wrong on so many levels (i.e. waste of all the economic and environmental inputs). The Pirelli D4 all season tires from 7 or 8 years ago were expected to last 90k or more by Consumer Reports Mag. And other than being a little louder and relatively expensive for a smaller size (e.g., $525ish for a set on a Toyota Corolla), they were great tires.

Guess it's the same for every product made now a days, but still shameful and that way of thinking is really coming back to kick us all in the arse.

 

[Decayed]

Making tires that last less than 40k miles is just wrong on so many levels (i.e. waste of all the economic and environmental inputs). The Pirelli D4 all season tires from 7 or 8 years ago were expected to last 90k or more by Consumer Reports Mag. And other than being a little louder and relatively expensive for a smaller size (e.g., $525ish for a set on a Toyota Corolla), they were great tires.

Guess it's the same for every product made now a days, but still shameful and that way of thinking is really coming back to kick us all in the arse.

That's what you get if you want to keep the truck under $20k. The market has it's say.

 

[Mavonorder]

That's what you get if you want to keep the truck under $20k. The market has it's say.

Not to start the "that's what you get for $20 k", rebuffed by the "I spent $30k... Not $20k" (which I did), but it sounds like oem tires are subpar no matter how much a car costs? Aside from the above, I also paid to upgraded the tires/rims with the FX4 package so I got dinged twice, total price of the Mav and upcharge for the tires.

 

[bdaniel230]

Not to start the "that's what you get for $20 k", rebuffed by the "I spent $30k... Not $20k" (which I did), but it sounds like oem tires are subpar no matter how much a car costs? Aside from the above, I also paid to upgraded the tires/rims with the FX4 package so I got dinged twice, total price of the Mav and upcharge for the tires.

I honestly think there are more to the tires than being OEM. Pirelli, Michelin, Dunlop and Goodyear tires all were OEM tires at one time or another and have their good points as well as bad points. Pirelli tires were absolutely the only tire that you would get on an Italian vehicle because that was, for a long time, the only Italian tire manufacturer. Michelins were OEM on Peugot and Citreon for years and Dunlops were OEM on Rolls-Royce, Bentley and Jaguar. But I won't even consider any of those tires because of the problems I have had with them over the years. I am a fan of Continental tires but they aren't the only tires I will buy, but I will look at them first because I have never had tread separation on them. I have had that issue on almost every other brand and that is the indicator of quality control. Tread separation should never happen unless the tire is weather checked or has had some serious road damage.

 

[Xjeepguy]

These boys are soft.
Fords diagnosis: excessive cornering
Shame since I live up a windy mountain road.

 

[Xjeepguy]

These boys are soft.
Fords diagnosis: excessive cornering
Shame since I live up a windy mountain road.

I have 26000km on my pirellis and 3 plugs so far and pretty worn (junk) having new Yokohama’s installed tomorrow, but having said this, the wear on your tires WOW remind me to bring a diaper when i ride with you

 

[MakinDoForNow]

I honestly think there are more to the tires than being OEM. Pirelli, Michelin, Dunlop and Goodyear tires all were OEM tires at one time or another and have their good points as well as bad points. Pirelli tires were absolutely the only tire that you would get on an Italian vehicle because that was, for a long time, the only Italian tire manufacturer. Michelins were OEM on Peugot and Citreon for years and Dunlops were OEM on Rolls-Royce, Bentley and Jaguar. But I won't even consider any of those tires because of the problems I have had with them over the years. I am a fan of Continental tires but they aren't the only tires I will buy, but I will look at them first because I have never had tread separation on them. I have had that issue on almost every other brand and that is the indicator of quality control. Tread separation should never happen unless the tire is weather checked or has had some serious road damage.

The OEM tires can be different. I have LARIAT FE which has 225x60/R18 100H PRIMACY A/S and Michelin shows two OEMs made one for Toyota and one for Ford. Below are specs for each. Note that they are nearly identical but Ford's is rated for the same weight at 44psi as the Toyota at 51 psi. Also slight difference in tire weight (probably different tread pattern???). Also note that they are both made with 8.5/32" tread depth. And are UTQG of 540 and carry 55k mile warranty.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

BELOW IS FORD MICHELIN PRIMACY A/S
225/60R18 100H FOR BSW
MSPN
72282
Mileage Warranty
55,000
Section Width on Measuring Rim Width
9.00" on 6.50"
Overall Diameter (in)
28.6
Max Load, Single (lbs@psi)
1764 @ 44
Sidewall
Black Sidewall
Revs/Miles
727
Tire Weight (lbs)
25.57
Rim Width Range (Min/Max)
6.00-8.00
Tread Depth (in 32nds)
8.5
Specifications
- M+S

BELOW IS TOYOTA MICHELIN PRIMACY A/S
225/60R18 100H TOY BSW
MSPN
64429
Mileage Warranty
55,000
Section Width on Measuring Rim Width
9.00" on 6.50"
Overall Diameter (in)
28.6
Max Load, Single (lbs@psi)
1764 @ 51
Sidewall
Black Sidewall
Revs/Miles
727
Tire Weight (lbs)
25.62
Rim Width Range (Min/Max)
6.00-8.00
Tread Depth (in 32nds)
8.5
Specifications
- M+S

 

[ToothGrinder]

I tend to agree, I am not convinced that the door tag on these trucks is accurate. I added a bit more air, Inflation on the WildPeak (aka WildRide) of 35 lbs is low for highway and high for rough country. I run 38-41 lbs in the tires for highway and it seems to run about right but when I get it serviced they always air it down to 36 so I think Ford really needs to look at that pressure recommendation.

I completely agree. When I got my truck all the tires were inflated to 40-42PSI. I dropped it down to 35PSI like the door recommended and ran into this issue. When I got it back from the dealership they had them all at 38PSI. I'll probably be keeping them in that range from now on.

 

[NJBob]

They tried to pull the under inflated thing on me but I keep my tires at 35 cold just like it says on the door sticker.

Wouldn't tpms warn you anyway?

 

[bdaniel230]

Wouldn't tpms warn you anyway?

So far I haven't gotten a warning and I have TPMS on all three sets of tires. The only ones that would even possibly get the warning are the Wildpeaks but I don't air them under 22 psi because I don't have bead-lock rims

 

[bdaniel230]

9950.

Dude if there are under 10k on those tires you better have the front end of your mav double checked. The alignment is so far out that even if it were a different compound they castor and toe are totally screwed up.

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