Allocations rant

[NJBob]

If I was pushed to a 24 I may or may not order. By that time Toyota and Ram may come up with competition.aybe order but keep an eye open for those. Don't mind waiting if Ford gave any updates at all. And after 2 model years of this think they would learn.

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[realshelby]

Let me add something that makes ALL the difference in understanding the process.

Your Salesperson!!!

Having one that has personal access to Fords Vincent and other internal Ford systems is a HUGE advantage when ordering something like a Maverick. They will have the experience to know how the allocations are going to help or hurt your situation. They know what NOT to promise, which is way more important than promising what they cannot hope to deliver. They can explain the Priority Code process and help assuring your order is where it should be in the system. They can look up stuff that the Ford Customer Service online and phone people don't have access to.

Problem is that most Dealerships have a sales staff that cannot make decisions on their own. You will have to get to a Fleet Sales person/manager or possibly some of the Internet managers to get to that level. The days of good sales people that are basically their own manager are behind us!

Nobody cares too much about allocation when dealers have a 150 day supply of vehicles. Just understand that when demand is many times production capacity ( remember Ford only had the order bank open for a week for an entire model year for 2023 ) their HAS to be an allocation system. Even then there are going to be orders that look like they should have been filled.

 

[James D]

Do you want me to dig up the posts of the people who ordered at the mega dealers and were also complaining that so many people ordered there to exceed their allocations while perceiving they fared better odds at a smaller dealer?

You are right! On LM's video this week, Tim said 200 of their hybrids probably won't get delivered! There are going to be a ton of upset LM order holders that will have to start the months of waiting all over again and compete with millions more who now know the Maverick exists.

For dealers big and small, last Sept was an order frenzy with no regard for allocations or constraints, like finding out too late that only 15% of all Mavs would be XL.

LM and every dealer should have stopped taking orders once they hit their expected allocations, which is easy to figure because it is based on last year's sales. No matter what you think of Tim, he should have warned his buyers that he had no allocations left - go buy from somewhere else.

I can understand an allocation system for dealer inventory, not customer orders. It should not matter which dealer you order a custom build from.

Ford's attempt to be fair to dealers with allocations is very unfair to the people who actually buy Ford's product.

 

[DavidLs]

Has anyone heard of how much a price increase there will be on the 24 hybrids. Since I most likely will not be getting MY white 23 Mav at this stage. Im just trying to prepare

 

[jerrisn]

When I was a teenager, I went to my friend and his family to take delivery of their new 1965 Ford pickup.

September 17, 2022 I returned to that dealership to order a 2023 Maverick. It has always been family owned and a Ford dealer since before I was born in 1951. Dealers like this one across the country made Ford Motor Company what it is today.

My Maverick order has no constrained items and remains unscheduled. The last time I called Ford, the CSR offered me $50 credit for merchandise from the Ford online store. I believe this was not a good sign.

I suspect the only reason my order remains unscheduled clean is because this family owned dealership lacks allocations.

What I don’t understand is why the current allocation system favors the mega dealers with multiple stores and penalizes long affiliated independent dealers like mine. Ford take care of the dealers that made you what you are today.

Reading posts in this forum, appears best chance for taking delivery of a Maverick is ordering from a mega dealer with multiple locations or national operations like Autonation, Sonic, etc. This system of allocations to volume dealers will put the small ones out of business because they can’t sell what they don’t have.

I plan to stay in line until 2023 scheduling ends but I will not get in line for 2024 orders next month.

I don't think that is true. I ordered from a small town dealer 9/16/22 for the first time. It took a while, but my Hybrid XLT Premium just rolled off the assembly yesterday. I considered a bigger dealer, but the problem you risk is that they have 800 orders and still don't have enough allocation. Even if they do, depending on where you fall within that 800 orders, you still may not get it. I was going to go with a big dealer, and at the last minute went to a small town dealer. It is possible if this dealer had a ton of orders, I would be out of luck, but most people also assume the big dealers are the way to go, and I don't know if I agree. I initially placed an order with a big dealer on 9/15, the order had not been placed as of 9/16, probably because they had many orders to place. I last minute called a small dealer in a small down and he ordered it over the phone with a 500 deposit and within 20 minutes had a Ford confirmation. It was later that day, I called the other dealer and asked for a refund of the deposit and the order still had not been placed as they worked through what they had. Had I continued, i'd probably be last of their orders and out of luck. I plan on going back to this dealer, because even though it will be shipped this week, I already have numbers and with the Xplan, rebate they just told me about yesterday, my unpaid total for an XLT Hybrid Premium, Co-Pilot 360, Remote start is $27k

 

[Old Man]

One of the smaller rural dealers in Kansas is the 4th largest Maverick dealers. It's about staying up with the market, process and times which many rural dealers don't do so many of them lose out.
And dealers didn't have a good idea of allocations for the full year in September. Another problem is all the people that ordered from multiple dealers trying to game the system. That showed a lot of ghost orders in the system. One reason Ford is pushing on COVP to figure out how many real orders are left. The best thing they can do for MY24 order banks is require a non-refundable $5,000 deposit for Mavericks in order to get real orders.

 

[Mav_RICK]

If I order anew my 24 while waiting for my 23 price increase and I would have two trucks on order , please advice
Lonnie

If you are not scheduled before order banks open for MY 24 it just seems to make sense to me to order a MY24 from a different dealer and then if you get scheduled cancel the MY24.

if you put a large deposit down on your MY23 that might not be an option.

 

[Mav_RICK]

One of the smaller rural dealers in Kansas is the 4th largest Maverick dealers. It's about staying up with the market, process and times which many rural dealers don't do so many of them lose out.
And dealers didn't have a good idea of allocations for the full year in September. Another problem is all the people that ordered from multiple dealers trying to game the system. That showed a lot of ghost orders in the system. One reason Ford is pushing on COVP to figure out how many real orders are left. The best thing they can do for MY24 order banks is require a non-refundable $5,000 deposit for Mavericks in order to get real orders.

Nobody is going to put $5000 down on a Maverick.

 

[jerrisn]

body is going to put $5000 down on a Ma

I would agree. I would put down $500 which is what I did, but not $5k. Some dealers did not have a deposit, but I agree that requiring a $500 deposit would eliminate some of the people putting an order in and then backing out causing other people who really needed one to lose the opportunity. I think a $500 deposit is reasonable, assuming every dealer uses the same amount set by Ford. I have seen some dealers with $100 deposit or no deposit which I could see more people going to that dealer because it was cheaper which then generates more orders than they would be allocated for. A deposit should be required and set by Ford.

No deposit, no order.

 

[Old Man]

Nobody is going to put $5000 down on a Maverick.

Solves the problem of waiting forever to get one. People that really want one would, especially if they had top priority and a quick build.

 

[Farmer1972]

When I was a teenager, I went to my friend and his family to take delivery of their new 1965 Ford pickup.

September 17, 2022 I returned to that dealership to order a 2023 Maverick. It has always been family owned and a Ford dealer since before I was born in 1951. Dealers like this one across the country made Ford Motor Company what it is today.

My Maverick order has no constrained items and remains unscheduled. The last time I called Ford, the CSR offered me $50 credit for merchandise from the Ford online store. I believe this was not a good sign.

I suspect the only reason my order remains unscheduled clean is because this family owned dealership lacks allocations.

What I don’t understand is why the current allocation system favors the mega dealers with multiple stores and penalizes long affiliated independent dealers like mine. Ford take care of the dealers that made you what you are today.

Reading posts in this forum, appears best chance for taking delivery of a Maverick is ordering from a mega dealer with multiple locations or national operations like Autonation, Sonic, etc. This system of allocations to volume dealers will put the small ones out of business because they can’t sell what they don’t have.

I plan to stay in line until 2023 scheduling ends but I will not get in line for 2024 orders next month.

That’s true and I’m doing the very same thing

 

[Farmer1972]

Solves the problem of waiting forever to get one. People that really want one would, especially if they had top priority and a quick build.

Might as well just pay the dealer markup and not order. Probably get it faster

 

[NJBob]

One of the smaller rural dealers in Kansas is the 4th largest Maverick dealers. It's about staying up with the market, process and times which many rural dealers don't do so many of them lose out.
And dealers didn't have a good idea of allocations for the full year in September. Another problem is all the people that ordered from multiple dealers trying to game the system. That showed a lot of ghost orders in the system. One reason Ford is pushing on COVP to figure out how many real orders are left. The best thing they can do for MY24 order banks is require a non-refundable $5,000 deposit for Mavericks in order to get real orders.

Although the idea is novel. I would not put 5k down given Ford's track record.

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