2025 Ecoboost with a GPF

[Chops]

Why do you believe the 2.0L has more than 250 HP; very interested to hear what you have discovered.

My opinion is based on hard facts, accepted science, and cold rationality.

First, the 25 EB is all new. Yes, they use the same spark plugs, oil, and gas as the previous EB - but that is about it. An updated twin-scroll low-inertia turbocharger with a high-speed electronic wastegate, along with the ability to upgrade to the bigger turbo in the 300T Ford Performance Package. But you expect me believe it matches the 250hp of the previous gen? C’mon!

Second, where does the “250hp” even come from? Such a nice round number that coincidentally matches the old rev? I’m not buying it! Ford would face major blowback if they overstate HP. They round down to a number not round up. If the measured HP of samples taken go from 247hp to 265hp - they’ll take an average and be conservative in the advertised spec. 250hp is safe for the previous gen and 255hp is safe for the new gen with the GPF. I can only logically deduce it would be about 262hp without the GPF.

Finally, several folks on this very experienced forum have noted stronger sounds emanating from the tailpipe.

But if others say my opinions are unacceptable - I won’t argue

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[Raymundo76]

My opinion is based on hard facts, accepted science, and cold rationality.

First, the 25 EB is all new. Yes, they use the same spark plugs, oil, and gas as the previous EB - but that is about it. An updated twin-scroll low-inertia turbocharger with a high-speed electronic wastegate, along with the ability to upgrade to the bigger turbo in the 300T Ford Performance Package. But you expect me believe it matches the 250hp of the previous gen? C’mon!

Second, where does the “250hp” even come from? Such a nice round number that coincidentally matches the old rev? I’m not buying it! Ford would face major blowback if they overstate HP. They round down to a number not round up. If the measured HP of samples taken go from 247hp to 265hp - they’ll take an average and be conservative in the advertised spec. 250hp is safe for the previous gen and 255hp is safe for the new gen with the GPF. I can only logically deduce it would be about 262hp without the GPF.

Finally, several folks on this very experienced forum have noted stronger sounds emanating from the tailpipe.

But if others say my opinions are unacceptable - I won’t argue

Thanks, appreciate your info

 

[Blue_Max]

My opinion is based on hard facts, accepted science, and cold rationality.

First, the 25 EB is all new. Yes, they use the same spark plugs, oil, and gas as the previous EB - but that is about it. An updated twin-scroll low-inertia turbocharger with a high-speed electronic wastegate, along with the ability to upgrade to the bigger turbo in the 300T Ford Performance Package. But you expect me believe it matches the 250hp of the previous gen? C’mon!

Second, where does the “250hp” even come from? Such a nice round number that coincidentally matches the old rev? I’m not buying it! Ford would face major blowback if they overstate HP. They round down to a number not round up. If the measured HP of samples taken go from 247hp to 265hp - they’ll take an average and be conservative in the advertised spec. 250hp is safe for the previous gen and 255hp is safe for the new gen with the GPF. I can only logically deduce it would be about 262hp without the GPF.

Finally, several folks on this very experienced forum have noted stronger sounds emanating from the tailpipe.

But if others say my opinions are unacceptable - I won’t argue

You should be on YouTube.

 

[Darryl]

likely gives Ford a reason to void your Warranty

I think it's unwise to modify any vehicle while still under warranty. Although Ford doesn't automatically void a warranty for that reason. If it's determined that the modification contributed to a failure, then they will void it. We've had diesels that were modified that failed. If there was evidence that the modification caused the failure, Ford would have us inspect it more thoroughly. Sometimes they paid. Sometimes they didn't. But a greater reason to leave it alone is that modifications make diagnosis more difficult when it comes in to our shop. When we do diagnostics, there are certain values that we look for. When a component is removed, the PCM is programmed to account for the sensor that's no longer used. And other values change. Even worse is when the customer doesn't tell us they have a different program. Often a software update is recommended to fix a problem. We perform the update. Now the vehicle runs like crap because the PCM is looking for the sensors that are no longer there. And the customer blames US. Again, warranty isn't automatically voided. But it COULD be. And sometimes the dealership may require the customer to pay diagnostics if we have to use methods different than normal. Or we may simply be unable to do a diagnosis in the modified state.

 

[Raymundo76]

I think it's unwise to modify any vehicle while still under warranty. Although Ford doesn't automatically void a warranty for that reason. If it's determined that the modification contributed to a failure, then they will void it. We've had diesels that were modified that failed. If there was evidence that the modification caused the failure, Ford would have us inspect it more thoroughly. Sometimes they paid. Sometimes they didn't. But a greater reason to leave it alone is that modifications make diagnosis more difficult when it comes in to our shop. When we do diagnostics, there are certain values that we look for. When a component is removed, the PCM is programmed to account for the sensor that's no longer used. And other values change. Even worse is when the customer doesn't tell us they have a different program. Often a software update is recommended to fix a problem. We perform the update. Now the vehicle runs like crap because the PCM is looking for the sensors that are no longer there. And the customer blames US. Again, warranty isn't automatically voided. But it COULD be. And sometimes the dealership may require the customer to pay diagnostics if we have to use methods different than normal. Or we may simply be unable to do a diagnosis in the modified state.

Spot on

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