2022-2024 EB vs 25 back to back

[Blanchardsteve60]

Hello, considering picking up a Maverick(still debating 2.0 vs HYB) but was curious of the option of anyone who has some wheel time behind the 22-24 engine vs the new 25s? Reviews online seem to be mixed - but wonder if it worth waiting out the back-up camera recalls for a leftover 24 vs the new engine in the 25s.

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[colinl]

respectfully, I don't know why you can't solve the hybrid vs ecoboost debate.

1. do you drive enough miles for the gas savings to really matter? (some folks are very excited about getting 47 mpg on the 5,500 miles they drove last year.)
2. do you plan to drive like there's a brick under the accelerator that stops you from using more than 1/3 of it?

if either of those are yes, get a hybrid.

otherwise, get a 2025 ecoboost as it's more capable hauling and towing and much more fun to drive whether you leave it stock or tune it.

in the near term you can't tune it, but when it is available for MY25 it will likely match the 22-24 performance for similar modifications. for long-term reliability the 2025 port and direct injection will be slightly better because it will keep the intake valves clean. (do some research on this issue with direct injection engines if you don't know what I'm referring to.)

for heavy modifications like a larger turbo, the 2025 having both port and direct injection is definitely an advantage, but I'm guessing that this isn't a priority for you since you're considering a hybrid.

 

[icegradner]

respectfully, I don't know why you can't solve the hybrid vs ecoboost debate.

1. do you drive enough miles for the gas savings to really matter? (some folks are very excited about getting 47 mpg on the 5,500 miles they drove last year.)

I drive 7500 miles a year on average, it cut my monthly fuel bill by $80-100 a month. That's $960-$1200 a year less than the SUV I owned before with the same fuel economy as the EB, more than worth it. When you can cut your fuel bill in half and spend it on something else or save for retirement, why not? I don't get excited about saving gas, I get excited about less time wasted at a gas pump, and more money in my pocket for doing things I enjoy. Seems win, win to me.

I get that lead footed drivers wouldn't like the hybrid though.

 

[710-oil-614]

With 4K tow and AWD now available on the hybrid drivetrain that is all I would buy now, but that is a choice only you can make.

If you are going to get an EcoBoost I would only grab a 2025 due to the improvements they have made to the engine with port and direct injection now.

 

[colinl]

I drive 7500 miles a year on average, it cut my monthly fuel bill by $80-100 a month. That's $960-$1200 a year less than the SUV I owned before with the same fuel economy as the EB, more than worth it. When you can cut your fuel bill in half and spend it on something else or save for retirement, why not? I don't get excited about saving gas, I get excited about less time wasted at a gas pump, and more money in my pocket for doing things I enjoy. Seems win, win to me.

I get that lead footed drivers wouldn't like the hybrid though.

yes, if I really cared about mpg and really had no budget to do anything other than care about it, I'd still be commuting on a motorcycle. my '01 CBR 929 got 40 mpg riding like a complete jackass.

a major point of the ecoboost is that it's fun to drive. some people don't enjoy driving so that point is lost on them, and I get the fixation on mpg.

let's pick 2 prices for gas to cover the cheapest and most expensive parts of the USA, $3/gal and $5/gal. oh, I see you're in Canada, I was just about to rip you apart for the $80-100 a month in savings. but seeing as most people reading this, like me, will be americans let's go ahead and run those numbers with USD.

1. 7500 miles a year at 40 mpg (I hope you're getting that or better) is 187.5 gallons of fuel.
2. 187.5 / 12 = 15.625 gallons of fuel per month.
3. at $3/gal in Texas this is $46.88 per month, $78.13 per month if you're in California at $5/gal.
4. let's say the other vehicle is a Maverick ecoboost driven 'spiritedly' and it gets 20 mpg, but to keep it simple we're still putting 87 octane in it because the majority of ecoboost owners do that.
5. 7500/20 = 375gal per year, 31.25 gal per month.
6. $93.75 per month at $3/gal, or $156.25 per month at $5/gal.
7. meaning the hybrid would have saved at most $78.12 per month, and maybe as little as $46.87.
8. the hybrid fuel savings does matter a lot more if you're doing >20k miles a year but you're hardly the only person I've seen on MTC with low annual miles yet very excited about their hybrid mpg. it's a thing, and it's fine.

since you mentioned retirement, every little bit helps I suppose, but in the US a roth IRA max contribution is $7,000 or $8,000 a year, so we'll need to find a few more pennies than just saving $50-100 a month in gas. more critically, this gas savings absolutely pales in comparison to the overall cost of buying and insuring a Maverick.

 

[icegradner]

yes, if I really cared about mpg and really had no budget to do anything other than care about it, I'd still be commuting on a motorcycle. my '01 CBR 929 got 40 mpg riding like a complete jackass.

For me I love the eCVT tranmission, I've owned hybrids since 2016. Every time I drive an old fashion automatic transmission I quickly remember how jerky they are. The traditional CVT is even worse, than the regular auto, so at least you've got that 8 speed. I do the vast majority of my driving (90%) on city or roads with speeds under 60MPH, so I'm getting well over 40MPH, somewhere in the 45-48MPG range. Would the EB be more fun and better for towing? I'm sure, but I want nothing to do with a turbo charged small block engine, personal preference.

 

[Blanchardsteve60]

respectfully, I don't know why you can't solve the hybrid vs ecoboost debate.

1. do you drive enough miles for the gas savings to really matter? (some folks are very excited about getting 47 mpg on the 5,500 miles they drove last year.)
2. do you plan to drive like there's a brick under the accelerator that stops you from using more than 1/3 of it?

if either of those are yes, get a hybrid.

otherwise, get a 2025 ecoboost as it's more capable hauling and towing and much more fun to drive whether you leave it stock or tune it.

in the near term you can't tune it, but when it is available for MY25 it will likely match the 22-24 performance for similar modifications. for long-term reliability the 2025 port and direct injection will be slightly better because it will keep the intake valves clean. (do some research on this issue with direct injection engines if you don't know what I'm referring to.)

for heavy modifications like a larger turbo, the 2025 having both port and direct injection is definitely an advantage, but I'm guessing that this isn't a priority for you since you're considering a hybrid.

Thank you for your well thought out post Colin - Its still up for debate because I am looking for a deal - and most of my driving 80% plus is highway so the economy advantage is less for the hybrid- I briefly test drove a 24 with the EB and liked it, and was curious for opinions of those who drove both. Planned yearly mileage is 20-30k depending on how much work travel I do, so the hybrid makes sense from a savings standpoint.
truck useage would bd Hauling/towing a few hundred to 1000 lbs a couple of times a month which the hybrid could handle, but more power is more power. We will see.

 

[icegradner]

Thank you for your well thought out post Colin - Its still up for debate because I am looking for a deal - and most of my driving 80% plus is highway so the economy advantage is less for the hybrid- I briefly test drove a 24 with the EB and liked it, and was curious for opinions of those who drove both. Planned yearly mileage is 20-30k depending on how much work travel I do, so the hybrid makes sense from a savings standpoint.
truck useage would bd Hauling/towing a few hundred to 1000 lbs a couple of times a month which the hybrid could handle, but more power is more power. We will see.

If you are mostly highway driving, I honestly think you'll be happier with the EB.

 

[colinl]

If you are mostly highway driving, I honestly think you'll be happier with the EB.

I agree. If you're doing 80 on the interstate the hybrid has to run the gas engine a lot and you'll see like 30-33 mpg, based on other threads talking about that very thing. Meanwhile an ecoboost probably gets 24-27 at that speed.

I do a lot of 2 lane highways for work and I am mindful about being in the wrong lane as little as possible when passing. 55->80 is way faster in an ecoboost.

 

[Jah.]

Yea . ecoboost here and get 30 -32 mpg at 75 mph .

 

[DrEvil]

I agree. If you're doing 80 on the interstate the hybrid has to run the gas engine a lot and you'll see like 30-33 mpg, based on other threads talking about that very thing. Meanwhile an ecoboost probably gets 24-27 at that speed.

I do a lot of 2 lane highways for work and I am mindful about being in the wrong lane as little as possible when passing. 55->80 is way faster in an ecoboost.

 

[Achtungg]

I switched from a all-wheel-drive 22 eco-boost XLT model to a all-wheel-drive hybrid lariat model and let me tell you it is not keeping me from being a leadfoot, especially in sports mode.

 

[Tbone289]

a major point of the ecoboost is that it's fun to drive. some people don't enjoy driving so that point is lost on them, and I get the fixation on mpg.

^ What he said!

I've wanted the utility of a pickup for years but could never could stand to own one due to the lack of driving dynamics. IMO, life is too short to buy vehicles that aren't fun to drive. EB Maverick AWD fits the bill.

 

[710-oil-614]

yes, if I really cared about mpg and really had no budget to do anything other than care about it, I'd still be commuting on a motorcycle. my '01 CBR 929 got 40 mpg riding like a complete jackass.

a major point of the ecoboost is that it's fun to drive. some people don't enjoy driving so that point is lost on them, and I get the fixation on mpg.

let's pick 2 prices for gas to cover the cheapest and most expensive parts of the USA, $3/gal and $5/gal. oh, I see you're in Canada, I was just about to rip you apart for the $80-100 a month in savings. but seeing as most people reading this, like me, will be americans let's go ahead and run those numbers with USD.

1. 7500 miles a year at 40 mpg (I hope you're getting that or better) is 187.5 gallons of fuel.
2. 187.5 / 12 = 15.625 gallons of fuel per month.
3. at $3/gal in Texas this is $46.88 per month, $78.13 per month if you're in California at $5/gal.
4. let's say the other vehicle is a Maverick ecoboost driven 'spiritedly' and it gets 20 mpg, but to keep it simple we're still putting 87 octane in it because the majority of ecoboost owners do that.
5. 7500/20 = 375gal per year, 31.25 gal per month.
6. $93.75 per month at $3/gal, or $156.25 per month at $5/gal.
7. meaning the hybrid would have saved at most $78.12 per month, and maybe as little as $46.87.
8. the hybrid fuel savings does matter a lot more if you're doing >20k miles a year but you're hardly the only person I've seen on MTC with low annual miles yet very excited about their hybrid mpg. it's a thing, and it's fine.

since you mentioned retirement, every little bit helps I suppose, but in the US a roth IRA max contribution is $7,000 or $8,000 a year, so we'll need to find a few more pennies than just saving $50-100 a month in gas. more critically, this gas savings absolutely pales in comparison to the overall cost of buying and insuring a Maverick.

I like the hybrid drivetrain because I think it is going to be more durable long term than the ecoboost and 8F35 and result in a much lower TCO.

 

[colinl]

I like the hybrid drivetrain because I think it is going to be more durable long term than the ecoboost and 8F35 and result in a much lower TCO.

I bought my ecoboost from a Ford dealership that includes a lifetime powertrain warranty at no cost on new vehicles. They're clearly doing it to try to grow market share, because the other 2 Ford dealerships in this area are much larger and then we have Long McArthur 80 miles away.

I've actually never driven any one vehicle more than 117k miles before selling or trading it, but I've already got 48k on the clock for this truck. The rate slowed a lot over the winter, but I still expect to do 22k-25k miles this year.

There's a lot of good reasons to buy a hybrid. I just don't see that the OP has stated any, yet.

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