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you got me thinking about buying a gap car and switching back to hybrid for as long as it takes...
 
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you got me thinking about buying a gap car and switching back to hybrid for as long as it takes...
This is not even the latest generation. My biggest concern is if the electronics poop out. Happens less than other parts, but it does happen.
 
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I thought it interesting that the Ford people don't like the transmission being compared to Toyota, but I, as a customer, like that they are built on the same concept.
 

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I thought it interesting that the Ford people don't like the transmission being compared to Toyota, but I, as a customer, like that they are built on the same concept.
At the time this was written Ford was still using the same Aisin eCVT that Toyota used. Of course in 2013 Ford made an in house eCVT to save money, which ended up costing a lot in warranty work. Failed bearing took out many of them on the MKZ, CMAX, and fusions for 2013-2015s. Fast forward to now and Ford has obviously achieved cost reduction to the point they can sell it as a base model…but limited to 30 percent of production.
 

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It makes me wonder what this kind of engine transmission combo would have done if put into a Ford Focus. 🤔
 
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That's pretty much what the C-max was.
The c max was much larger than the focus. Aero of Focus is much better. That being said, I think Ford knows their market... Americans won't pay top dollar for small cars like Europeans will, so, financially, I can't say I blame them.
 

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This is not even the latest generation. My biggest concern is if the electronics poop out. Happens less than other parts, but it does happen.
I share this concern about the electronics. The hardware has improved somewhat, software is increasingly more functional but also more complex/fragile, etc. Now there are modules that are either mated to a VIN or secured via public/private key so they can't be reused on another vehicle, at least without OEM tools/keys.

Used to be that you could keep a vehicle running with parts from the local pick-n-pull junkyard or ebay. Still possible with mechanical components but less feasible with electronics. We won't be able to just get a used PCM and make a plug-and-play swap. Despite all that my Mav will be full of electronics and I'll just keep my fingers crossed.
 

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The c max was much larger than the focus. Aero of Focus is much better. That being said, I think Ford knows their market... Americans won't pay top dollar for small cars like Europeans will, so, financially, I can't say I blame them.
Look at the Focus EV and you will get a general idea: Focus EV 107 MPGe vs Fusion PHEV 103MPGe. It wouldnt have been anything special. Hyundai and Tesla have cars in the 130 MPGe range.
 
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I share this concern about the electronics. The hardware has improved somewhat, software is increasingly more functional but also more complex/fragile, etc. Now there are modules that are either mated to a VIN or secured via public/private key so they can't be reused on another vehicle, at least without OEM tools/keys.

Used to be that you could keep a vehicle running with parts from the local pick-n-pull junkyard or ebay. Still possible with mechanical components but less feasible with electronics. We won't be able to just get a used PCM and make a plug-and-play swap. Despite all that my Mav will be full of electronics and I'll just keep my fingers crossed.
Not a new concept. The radio died in my 2005 siverado and the one from the junk yard had to be rekeyed.
 

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The c max was much larger than the focus. Aero of Focus is much better. That being said, I think Ford knows their market... Americans won't pay top dollar for small cars like Europeans will, so, financially, I can't say I blame them.
Vertically larger but otherwise they're pretty Focus sized and built on the same chassis. Even with the luckluster aero performance of the upright CUV profile it always surprises me they only manage about as good of mileage as my Fusion which is a very big mid-size. That said they're supposedly best in the Energi trim since they don't give up much cargo space where the Fusion Energi's trunk is a suggestion at best.
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