Teamsters will honor UAW strike (No Deliveries)

[1929]

The starting wage at GM in Kansas City is $16.67. Even if they got a 10% raise the first year of the contract that only raises them to $18.33. The UAW made major concessions in 2008, and workers were promised they'd be made whole again when the companies became profitable.

The long and short of it is that employees got screwed and they are mad about it. It's not so bad if everyone is sacrificing from top to bottom. But that's not what's happening. The big 3 are making record profits and spent 5 billion in stock buybacks just in the past year, a tactic that often used to increase executive pay.

I've waited so long for my Maverick to be delivered I don't care if it takes a little longer. Especially if it helps a just cause.

Average UAW wage is $28 per hr before benefits. Tiered wages are terrible.
Take home annual ranges from $70K to $90K. Must be a lot of overtime.

This labor dispute is not my battle. I'm not employed in automotive. Just want to see a fair agreement that does not result in my not being able to afford a new vehicle in the future.

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[fossil]

Average UAW wage is $28 per hr before benefits. Tiered wages are terrible.
Take home annual ranges from $70K to $90K. Must be a lot of overtime.

This labor dispute is not my battle. I'm not employed in automotive. Just want to see a fair agreement that does not result in my not being able to afford a new vehicle in the future.

Mandatory overtime is part of the contract demands so you may be right about a lot. Ford likes to work overtime.

People always quote the average or maximum workers wage as proof of something but the upper management salary as nothing. Between Ford's CEO and president we're looking at $48 million. Some people think all UPS workers make $170K while many are part time and only make around $20, McDonalds wages in some parts. Those "cherry" burger flipping jobs are limited.

Tier 2 may be worse than you know. they don't get nearly as good medical, no pension, $18hr and no COLA. Ford GM and Stellantis keeps them down for years.

There is an average of 20hrs labor per vehicle. let's pretend they get a large wage/bennie raise and the total cost per hour hits a pretend $100hr, it doesn't take Steven Hawkins to figure that's $2000 avg per vehicle. Only half of that inflated pretend cost is an increase of $1000 or 1/20th the cost of a base 2022 Maverick 5% or maybe one payment on a Raptor R.
I'm on fixed income and not worried about a UAW cost increase, Ford's been doing more than that on their own, better than 30% recently, don't blame the worker.

 

[Mav_RICK]

What gets me in all these UAW talking points is there is always a comparison drawn between the CEO or President's salary and the line worker's salary. If there were no salary paid to those two people I'm sure that would not affect the final cost of the vehicle all that much. The fact is auto manufacturers are spending way too much to make vehicles and maybe the problem is not the salaries at either end but in the middle.

Regulations, bad business decisions, waste, too many non productive employees all through the company. That's where the real problem is.

 

[Dmilleri]

Shipments are as usual except Broncos and Rangers.

 

[1929]

Mandatory overtime is part of the contract demands so you may be right about a lot. Ford likes to work overtime.

People always quote the average or maximum workers wage as proof of something but the upper management salary as nothing. Between Ford's CEO and president we're looking at $48 million. Some people think all UPS workers make $170K while many are part time and only make around $20, McDonalds wages in some parts. Those "cherry" burger flipping jobs are limited.

Tier 2 may be worse than you know. they don't get nearly as good medical, no pension, $18hr and no COLA. Ford GM and Stellantis keeps them down for years.

There is an average of 20hrs labor per vehicle. let's pretend they get a large wage/bennie raise and the total cost per hour hits a pretend $100hr, it doesn't take Steven Hawkins to figure that's $2000 avg per vehicle. Only half of that inflated pretend cost is an increase of $1000 or 1/20th the cost of a base 2022 Maverick 5% or maybe one payment on a Raptor R.
I'm on fixed income and not worried about a UAW cost increase, Ford's been doing more than that on their own, better than 30% recently, don't blame the worker.

Ford ROIC is 5.41% and GM is 4.57%. Tesla ROIC is 24.6%.
6% is great for a savings account, I'd never be able to retire with 6% returns on my 401K. My income will be variable, not fixed, when I retire.

 

[Bill K]

Stand down. You will eventually get your Maverick. It is worth the wait.

 

[es7129]

train yards may be A neutral spot but they have to be loaded onto a truck at some point for delivery..... Mine was supposed to be delivered by the end of the month.... and now we wait again ...

My truck has been waiting in Delaware for about a week now. Somehow they can’t get it delivered. Literally only an hour and a half drive away from Baltimore.

A lot of us have encountered this going back to 2021. The longest time segment of shipping can be waiting from the rail yard to your dealer.

 

[fossil]

That’s normal. Most Maver

A lot of us have encountered this going back to 2021. The longest time segment of shipping can be waiting from the rail yard to your dealer.

strike might even speed deliveries up. drivers not delivering parts to plants on strike need something to do.

 

[Scootz0405]

Just keep your Mavs healthy and out of the Shop - Parts availability could become a huger issue than it already is ..... like keeping a quarter tank of gas in the tank for fuel pump health instead of running it dry to snap a shot of MPG's

Cheers

I always run my current car dry. Probably once a month.

A lot of us have encountered this going back to 2021. The longest time segment of shipping can be waiting from the rail yard to your dealer.

Thanks for the info!

I just received mine today! So they are in fact still delivering mavericks as of now.

 

[fossil]

I always run my current car dry. Probably once a month.
Thanks for the info!

What @MetalThunder said. Fuel pumps are cooled by the gas in your tank.

 

[es7129]

I always run my current car dry. Probably once a month.

Thanks for the info!

I just received mine today! So they are in fact still delivering mavericks as of now.

Congrats, enjoy it!

 

[Esteban88]

Mandatory overtime is part of the contract demands so you may be right about a lot. Ford likes to work overtime.

People always quote the average or maximum workers wage as proof of something but the upper management salary as nothing. Between Ford's CEO and president we're looking at $48 million. Some people think all UPS workers make $170K while many are part time and only make around $20, McDonalds wages in some parts. Those "cherry" burger flipping jobs are limited.

Tier 2 may be worse than you know. they don't get nearly as good medical, no pension, $18hr and no COLA. Ford GM and Stellantis keeps them down for years.

There is an average of 20hrs labor per vehicle. let's pretend they get a large wage/bennie raise and the total cost per hour hits a pretend $100hr, it doesn't take Steven Hawkins to figure that's $2000 avg per vehicle. Only half of that inflated pretend cost is an increase of $1000 or 1/20th the cost of a base 2022 Maverick 5% or maybe one payment on a Raptor R.
I'm on fixed income and not worried about a UAW cost increase, Ford's been doing more than that on their own, better than 30% recently, don't blame the worker.

Good point. A NYT article today said UAW workers make $32 an hour. Some make that but most don't. On GM's website right now the starting pay for a temporary production worker is listed $16.67. The current UAW contract wage schedule goes from 11.95 to $42.02.
https://www.concordnh.gov/DocumentCenter/View/3722/UAW-400-Wage-Schedule_02-05-22?bidId=

The main takeaway is that these jobs are not the good paying middle class jobs they used to be.

Ford accepted the Canada auto workers union demands yesterday, yet to be voted on. Not sure if that will influence US negotiations.

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[NateyH]

The problem with Unions is their PR is terrible and their negotiations public. The demands aren't crazy, especially the wage increases, if you take the fact that they agreed to a 4 year wage freeze that still hasn't been accounted for and that inflation is looking to be around 4% for the foreseeable future a 36% request in wage increase over 4 years isn't crazy. All the other nonsense is just that, nonsense. 32 hour work week etc is a negotiating tactic "Ok give us 30% wage increase and we'll nix the shorter work week". etc. You NEVER start negotiations with your bottom line.

Corporations have these kind of negotiations all the time, and armies of lawyers to use in negotiations, but none of that is public. The union can't very well say publicly that they're planning on giving up A, B and C to get X, Y Z. If they publicized their strategy people would likely not be like "Ok these people are crazy" but if they publicize their strategy, they lost all their leverage so they can't win in the PR department.

 

[Taikun]

My MY23 Maverick XLT Hybrid is on a Union Pacific train that is currently in Tucson AZ on the way to the Intermodal - Dallas (Mesquite) railyard where it will be unloaded and transported to AutoNation Ford Frisco.

Dallas (Mesquite) Intermodal Terminal

ETA is 9/27/2023 to 10/03/2023 for delivery to the dealership.

I tried searching via google and viewing the above linked website but I cannot get any information if Teamsters work there or if any unionized workers do the unloading of vehicles from the train or do the loading onto car carriers that deliver to the dealerships.

Does anyone know if Teamsters work there?

Here is the VinView Map showing where my truck currently is on the rails:

I'm in the same boat. My 23 Lariat has been sitting in Mesquite for about a week. Final destination is Fort Worth. So close and yet, so far. Have you received any updates?

 

[Skyline]

If they publicized their strategy people would likely not be like "Ok these people are crazy" but if they publicize their strategy, they lost all their leverage so they can't win in the PR department.

On the surface, that's what it seems, especially for people who just read the headlines. On the other, in polls, people side with the UAW in 2 to 1 ratio, or up to 75%.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/americans-side-with-striking-uaw/

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