Teamsters will honor UAW strike (No Deliveries)

[AznMav]

I grewup near poverty. Shopping at thrift stores, food banks and government handouts. My dad's job went union when I was 5 and it was night and day. He was able to provide a decent lifestyle for his family and provide 4 of his kids us with college educations. Everyone except ceos benefit from strong unions

Uh no the only ones that benefit from strong unions are union members. My family came to the US with nothing. The four of us slept on a single mattress in my dad's friends spare bedroom in Calimesa. Dad barely spoke English. Somehow thru hard work and determination he put 2 kids thru college and we now own businesses. Guess what? No unions were involved. Unions gain at the expense of their fellow Americans. Making products more expensive and unattainable reduces the quality of life for everyone while ceos you hate will be just fine. Unions should be a thing of the past it only functions as a tax for everyone to benefit a few.

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[Becker300]

https://fordauthority.com/2023/09/ford-vehicles-wont-be-delivered-by-teamsters-if-uaw-strikes/

Pretty much BS at this point. Manufacturers have offered 20% increases over the next 4 years. Take it start building some stuff. For the teamsters to honor that strike it's ridiculous. All it does is drive up prices for for everyone and since 60% of the population lives paycheck to paycheck or less I think it's pretty selfish.

 

[Ranch]

I won't be crying over anything. I am not going to be buying another new vehicle ever again. I wasn't planning on buying a Maverick until I figured I could get better fuel economy and I could sell two older vehicles. One thing to consider is this; how long does it take to train someone for an assembly line job? Automation already helps with a lot of the heavy lifting, even the heavier tools are suspended from above. What is the average wage and benefits package for a typical UAW member? Do the math.

The United Auto Workers' contract demands of the Detroit Three automakers could surge per-person labor costs to more than $100 per hour in wages and benefits, according to three sources familiar with the situation, potentially outstripping North American profits over the life of a new contract.

All-in labor costs for General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co. and Jeep maker Stellantis NV now hover around $65 per hour, according to industry estimates, compared to $55 an hour for foreign-owned automakers operating in the United States and $45 an hour for electric-vehicle rival Tesla Inc.

https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/b...cle_ce634a3a-4bb5-535e-919c-e98163012ec1.html

 

[Maui]

I was notified my vehicle was shipped on April 20, and it arrived at my dealer on May 6, 2023 (2890 miles from Hermosillo).

Love it!

 

[Skyline]

The United Auto Workers' contract demands of the Detroit Three automakers could surge per-person labor costs to more than $100 per hour in wages and benefits, according to three sources familiar with the situation, potentially outstripping North American profits over the life of a new contract.

All-in labor costs for General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co. and Jeep maker Stellantis NV now hover around $65 per hour, according to industry estimates, compared to $55 an hour for foreign-owned automakers operating in the United States and $45 an hour for electric-vehicle rival Tesla Inc.

https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/b...cle_ce634a3a-4bb5-535e-919c-e98163012ec1.html

When you say "all in labor cost", that's hourly wage and benefits, correct? Knowing that the average UAW worker salary is 28.47, then the benefits package is 36.53 (65 - 28.47).

The 40% increase of the current average salary of 28.47 is 11.38, that would result in 39.85 average salary by the end of the four years contract. The close to three dollar per year wage increase isn't really much, probably won't keep up with the inflation, especially the ones what we are having lately.

Provided that the benefits are not changing by the end of the contract, then the "all in labor" cost would be 76.38 (39.85 + 36.53). Let's say that the benefits increased by 40% as well to 51.14, bringing the "all in labor cost" to 90.99. That would be hard to round up to 100, much less over a 100.

As stated earlier, "numbers don't lie, but people with numbers do..."

 

[Ranch]

When you say "all in labor cost", that's hourly wage and benefits, correct? Knowing that the average UAW worker salary is 28.47, then the benefits package is 36.53 (65 - 28.47).

The 40% increase of the current average salary of 28.47 is 11.38, that would result in 39.85 average salary by the end of the four years contract. The close to three dollar per year wage increase isn't really much, probably won't keep up with the inflation, especially the ones what we are having lately.

Provided that the benefits are not changing by the end of the contract, then the "all in labor" cost would be 76.38 (39.85 + 36.53). Let's say that the benefits increased by 40% as well to 51.14, bringing the "all in labor cost" to 90.99. That would be hard to round up to 100, much less over a 100.

As stated earlier, "numbers don't lie, but people with numbers do..."

I didn't claim anything in my post. I quoted the article that I linked.

This quote from the article is also interesting.

The total calculation would be nearly double the estimates of what foreign automakers operating in the United States pay their workers in wages and benefits. The gap would be even wider for employees at electric vehicle maker Tesla Inc. The result could challenge the automakers' competitiveness and valuation, risk UAW jobs and potentially send work to other countries, experts say.

https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/b...cle_ce634a3a-4bb5-535e-919c-e98163012ec1.html

 

[Skyline]

I didn't claim anything in my post. I quoted the article that I linked.

This quote from the article is also interesting.



https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/b...cle_ce634a3a-4bb5-535e-919c-e98163012ec1.html

Ok, your quoted article stated. In either case, the article is full of sh.. oops, incorrect numbers and so are the consequent conclusions in the same article...

 

[Fancy Farm]

I’m in the same boat. Mine shipped 9/8/23. We’ll see…..

Nearly all deliveries are made by owner operators not Teamsters.

 

[Ranch]

Ok, your quoted article stated. In either case, the article is full of sh.. oops, incorrect numbers and so are the consequent conclusions in the same article...

The article was written on Aug 8th so the numbers are not totally accurate to today's situation.

I still found it interesting because it gives readers a broader view of this strike. Most pro union info is concentrated on how much money CEO's have received and totally ignore the potential effects that increased labor costs have on these car manufacturers.

 

[Old Ford Guy]

Maybe delivery still possible news said teamsters won’t cross the strike line. So hopefully train yards are a neutral place

the Teamsters will NOT cross a UAW picket line, period. it's in their newly signed contract that they dont cross picket lines. Solidarity Foreever!!
as long as your Mav is on a train somewhere enroute to a dealer somewhere you should be ok as almost none of those inflection points are likely to have UAW represented employees.
what i'm not sure about is once loaded for the USA in the mexico plant(non UAW) whether for truck or train transport is if the next receiving point is UAW represented AND being picketed then the Teamsters will neither pick up or deliver there.
long story not short enough, if your truck is already showing as at a depot wait on a train enroute somewhere you should be ok.

Gee, The UAW ONLY wants a 46% wage increase. I was once in the UAW, not that I ever wanted to be, and the company I worked for shut down in August, 33 years ago. Hunting seasons start opening up in September, so they are in no hurry to get back to work. Figure out how much a new Ford, GM or Chevy vehicle, made under UAW contract, will cost in the future.

consider the source but widely accepted estimates of UAW labor costs needed to produce a new vehicle for the 'Big 3' are currently 6-8% of said vehicles total co$t depending on which OEM, whether domestic or transplant .
further, i believe that i saw that the average new car transaction price (what people actually pay, NOT MSRP) of a new vehicle has risen 34% since the 'Great Recession'. while the alleged 'greedy, overpaid' UAW workers average compensation has only gone up a 'whooping' 6% !! there is NO justification for huge price increases just to pay your people a living wage. that is Korporate Koolaid people.

now lets not forget hat CEO compensation has gone up almost 40% during the same period? and we hav'nt even yet explored the 2 TRILLION + $$$ in stock buy backs and dividends lavished on the investor class and the implications of how such a large capital outlay could potentially portend for long term business viability. but yet the companies would have you believe that a living wage for their workers would destroy them.
REALLY hard to sell that to me.
i begrudge no person whether stockholder/management or labor a right to make a profit on their investment(s) or workers to get a 'fair' share of the profits their labor helps to create.
Labor NEEDS someone to make payroll, capital needs workers if they want to make stuff. they/we NEED each other for sure. but as i heard a old timer say when was a newbie, "we' (the hourly workers) are here to be used by the company, NOT abused.

Look elsewhere folks for why new cars cost so much, its for sure NOT all on the UAW despite what you may have heard/read or seen.
please dont blindly blame union labor costs like 'Big Business' wants you to. The UAW's cause is just and should benefit us all. insted of asking why they want so much, i would beseech you to ask yourselves why ar'nt more of us making more in these times of RECORD profits?

and for the record the latest UAW wage request is 36% over 4 yrs, which would sill leave us playing catch up from the last few decades of top down class warfare but is at least a good start towards fairer incomes for working folks.

 

[sprubs]

the Teamsters will NOT cross a UAW picket line, period. it's in their newly signed contract that they dont cross picket lines. Solidarity Foreever!!
as long as your Mav is on a train somewhere enroute to a dealer somewhere you should be ok as almost none of those inflection points are likely to have UAW represented employees.
what i'm not sure about is once loaded for the USA in the mexico plant(non UAW) whether for truck or train transport is if the next receiving point is UAW represented AND being picketed then the Teamsters will neither pick up or deliver there.
long story not short enough, if your truck is already showing as at a depot wait on a train enroute somewhere you should be ok.

consider the source but widely accepted estimates of UAW labor costs needed to produce a new vehicle for the 'Big 3' are currently 6-8% of said vehicles total co$t depending on which OEM, whether domestic or transplant .
further, i believe that i saw that the average new car transaction price (what people actually pay, NOT MSRP) of a new vehicle has risen 34% since the 'Great Recession'. while the alleged 'greedy, overpaid' UAW workers average compensation has only gone up a 'whooping' 6% !! there is NO justification for huge price increases just to pay your people a living wage. that is Korporate Koolaid people.

now lets not forget hat CEO compensation has gone up almost 40% during the same period? and we hav'nt even yet explored the 2 TRILLION + $$$ in stock buy backs and dividends lavished on the investor class and the implications of how such a large capital outlay could potentially portend for long term business viability. but yet the companies would have you believe that a living wage for their workers would destroy them.
REALLY hard to sell that to me.
i begrudge no person whether stockholder/management or labor a right to make a profit on their investment(s) or workers to get a 'fair' share of the profits their labor helps to create.
Labor NEEDS someone to make payroll, capital needs workers if they want to make stuff. they/we NEED each other for sure. but as i heard a old timer say when was a newbie, "we' (the hourly workers) are here to be used by the company, NOT abused.

Look elsewhere folks for why new cars cost so much, its for sure NOT all on the UAW despite what you may have heard/read or seen.
please dont blindly blame union labor costs like 'Big Business' wants you to. The UAW's cause is just and should benefit us all. insted of asking why they want so much, i would beseech you to ask yourselves why ar'nt more of us making more in these times of RECORD profits?

and for the record the latest UAW wage request is 36% over 4 yrs, which would sill leave us playing catch up from the last few decades of top down class warfare but is at least a good start towards fairer incomes for working folks.

Great post. I generally stay out of politics in forums like this but we need people to do these jobs. With no union these folks would be getting abused. That's why there's a union and you get all the good and bad that comes with that. If people are treated well they don't unionize.

 

[Old Ford Guy]

I would have flew to Hermosillo - seriously -
but they won't let you do that.
(Especially for $1,595 off)

now there's someone who REALLY wants their Mav LOL, if yours has already been built than you should be ok.
the only way the UAW strike could affect 'Hermo' operations is if the UAW starts striking plants that supply needed production parts & components. in that event Ford would be forced to suspend production down in Mexico even tho it's not a UAW plant.

 

[son of a ..sven]

The latest UAW wage request is 36% over 4 yrs, which would sill leave us playing catch up from the last few decades of top down class warfare but is at least a good start towards fairer incomes for working folks.
[/QUOTE]
I worked on the GMC Truck assembly line a long time ago. Totally agree with the above statement. It is a soul sucking job.

 

[fossil]

The latest UAW wage request is 36% over 4 yrs, which would sill leave us playing catch up from the last few decades of top down class warfare but is at least a good start towards fairer incomes for working folks.

I worked on the GMC Truck assembly line a long time ago. Totally agree with the above statement. It is a soul sucking job.
[/QUOTE]

Every time someone ignorantly spews about how easy auto assembly is it's apparent they're clueless or malicious and everything else they have to say on any subject carries the same weight, none.

It's the lateral class warfare that feels the worst, their jealously maybe. What they shouldn't be jealous of though is one health risk. Police, farmers and auto workers have a higher workplace suicide rate than the norm. Stress, three different types of workplace stress being the main factor for those three occupations. Maybe the "experts" can explain it away and feel superior.

Worked as an electrician in assembly for 35 years. My job put me with all of those people every day and if you can believe anything believe they earn every penny and more. Any big or little thing I could do for my brothers and sisters I usually got it done without stopping the line, my job or not I planned or arranged it even if it was just listening to a rant.

 

[Wixron]

Maybe delivery still possible news said teamsters won’t cross the strike line. So hopefully train yards are a neutral place

train yards may be A neutral spot but they have to be loaded onto a truck at some point for delivery..... Mine was supposed to be delivered by the end of the month.... and now we wait again ...

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