Ram Revolution - To be revealed January 5

[StillWaiting]

I absolutely love Dodge. Mopar for the win. I’m excited to see what they come out with as I’ve been waiting ever since the announcement of the ev line. Maybe in the future I’ll switch brands again, but at the current price of the maverick it is the best deal hands down. I hope this pushes them to have a lower price or make a midsize soon.

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[StillWaiting]

Pricing is not out yet for the Cybertruck so it would be tough to compete against the unknown?

Initially they claimed a starting price under $40k which is unlikely. I see a starting price more in line with a Lightning Pro in the $50k range.

Regardless - look at every new EV coming out and the starting price for each one. Outside of the existing Bolt and Leaf (that have significant limitations and dated technology) the starting price for most EVs is clocking in at $50k.

2023 Mach E has a base price of $46,895 before destination, tax, title, etc.

2023 Kia EV6 starts at $48,500

Probably the most affordable EV out there right now is the Niro or ID.4 - both start at $40k and neither have made you or most ICE buyers consider them.

Chevy is promising the Equinox at an affordable price - we'll see.

This mid-size truck EV from Dodge will have a starting price of $40k at minimum. Probably a good rule of thumb would be 2x the cost of the Maverick.

So anywhere from low 40s for a base to high 50s fully loaded.

I think the price of the cyber truck was hinted at due to them canceling the single motor which eliminated that “39k” price. Still have my deposit down though…..

 

[710-oil-614]

I think the price of the cyber truck was hinted at due to them canceling the single motor which eliminated that “39k” price. Still have my deposit down though…..

Still have mine down as well. I don't believe we'll even see a base $50k dual motor option. I think $60k is going to be the base when all is said and done.

 

[commadorebob]

>> "Probably the most affordable EV out there right now is the Niro or ID.4 - both start at $40k "

Not even close, which shows how little most people know about BEVs. The most affordable mass market BEV in the USA right now is the 2023 Chevy Bolt, with 259 miles of range, at an MSRP of $25,600. Minus the Federal tax credit it is now fully eligible for, which is $7,500. Minus whatever state discount you might have. So the most Bolt is $18,100 as long as you have $7,500 in 2023 federal taxes.

https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-ev

Yep, to get the maximum $7,500 tax credit, you just have to make a minimum of $67K as a single person or $91K as a married person with the standard deduction. Of course, that assumes you don't have any workplace benefits that reduce your taxable income or any other credits that would supersede this credit before it is applied.

Given that the median income in the US is just $56,000, more than half of the working population is not going to be eligible to take advantage of the entire EV credit. So, using it as a marketing point is disingenuous at best.

 

[Darnon]

Yep, to get the maximum $7,500 tax credit, you just have to make a minimum of $67K as a single person or $91K as a married person with the standard deduction. Of course, that assumes you don't have any workplace benefits that reduce your taxable income or any other credits that would supersede this credit before it is applied.

Given that the median income in the US is just $56,000, more than half of the working population is not going to be eligible to take advantage of the entire EV credit. So, using it as a marketing point is disingenuous at best.

Or if they're nice GM might credit the full rebate as a cap cost reduction on a lease. Also due to a recent decent leasing may also allow the credit for models not assembled in North America.

 

[710-oil-614]

>> "Probably the most affordable EV out there right now is the Niro or ID.4 - both start at $40k "

Not even close, which shows how little most people know about BEVs. The most affordable mass market BEV in the USA right now is the 2023 Chevy Bolt, with 259 miles of range, at an MSRP of $25,600. Minus the Federal tax credit it is now fully eligible for, which is $7,500. Minus whatever state discount you might have. So the most Bolt is $18,100 as long as you have $7,500 in 2023 federal taxes.

https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-ev

And here is The Fast Lane's take on it...

Except context matters for my quote.......

First in RED you'll see I said NEW EV. The Bolt and the Leaf have been around for many years now.

However - In BLUE - you'll see I actually explicitly mention the BOLT and Nissan LEAF.

Then in YELLOW - is where you lazily took a snippet of my comment out of context and tried to use it as spring board to say people don't know about BEVs.

Now I should have said NEW affordable EV there but I guess I thought I established with with RED and BLUE comments above it. I'm all for discourse but lazily taking something completely out of context isn't discourse.

Regardless - look at every new EV coming out and the starting price for each one. Outside of the existing Bolt and Leaf (that have significant limitations and dated technology) the starting price for most EVs is clocking in at $50k.

2023 Mach E has a base price of $46,895 before destination, tax, title, etc.

2023 Kia EV6 starts at $48,500

Probably the most affordable EV out there right now is the Niro or ID.4 - both start at $40k and neither have made you or most ICE buyers consider them.

 

[Impetus19]

Still have mine down as well. I don't believe we'll even see a base $50k dual motor option. I think $60k is going to be the base when all is said and done.

The model 3 starts at $47k so yeah, i’d expect at least 15k over that for the base cybertruck if it’s dual motor.

 

[710-oil-614]

The model 3 starts at $47k so yeah, i’d expect at least 15k over that for the base cybertruck if it’s dual motor.

When I bought mine I said I would be shocked if they ever sold the Model 3 LR for cheaper than what I paid for it ($50,000) but although the 2023 LR is not available for order yet it is going to be about $52,500 and eligible for the $7,500 rebate.

Additionally Tesla is planning to release an updated Model 3 towards the end of 2023 that is geared more towards reducing manufacturing costs (than improving the product or look). Tesla already enjoys larger margins on the 3 and Y than any other EV for sale.

The Cybertruck is also supposed to be less expensive to produce with its "exoskeleton" frame - this all remains to be seen but just given the market for EV trucks (Lightning, Rivian, Hummer) and what those cost plus Tesla not needing to undercut the market - I think you're right the $60k base dual motor is probably a sure thing - if not more.

 

[kkreit01]

Big Ram fan here -- as I had (2) 4th Gens. This doesn't interest me one bit. A RCSB with a Hurricane or 6.4 would interest me.

 

[Old Ranchero]

Thatd be great but, I cant see Crysler offering anything requiring a concept show reveal to be less than $50k. That would make em a real..... maverick!?

wasn't the Santa Cruz revealed as a concept at a show like 6 years ago before ever being produced as a real production vehicle? And priced starting mid-$20k range? It can be done.

 

[Old Ranchero]

To be fair, I think Fiat was forced to buy Chrysler. But a lot of the problem with Chrysler was what also plagued GM: they had too much duplication. Fiat got rid of that and, unfortunately, that meant that the top brand was left with just two models while Jeep and RAM were more fleshed out.



It may well be. I had just seen some scuttlebutt that it could be Dakota sized based on some of the clay models in the last teaser video.

I'm not a Chrysler fan and not looking this up, but off the top of my head I remember Charger, Challenger, 300, Viper and a minivan at least in the product portfolio in that time frame?

 

[Old Ranchero]

>> "Probably the most affordable EV out there right now is the Niro or ID.4 - both start at $40k "

Not even close, which shows how little most people know about BEVs. The most affordable mass market BEV in the USA right now is the 2023 Chevy Bolt, with 259 miles of range, at an MSRP of $25,600. Minus the Federal tax credit it is now fully eligible for, which is $7,500. Minus whatever state discount you might have. So the most Bolt is $18,100 as long as you have $7,500 in 2023 federal taxes.

https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-ev

And here is The Fast Lane's take on it...

Didn't the Bolt get recalled and production stopped due to excessive number of fires? Not sure that would command a premium MSRP?

 

[commadorebob]

I'm not a Chrysler fan and not looking this up, but off the top of my head I remember Charger, Challenger, 300, Viper and a minivan at least in the product portfolio in that time frame?

Right. Only the 300 was a Chrysler. The rest fell under the Dodge badge. The Pacifica is a new thing and will very soon be the only vehicle sporting the Chrysler logo.

 

[Wiz]

Id rather walk than own a EV

That's just stupid.

 

[Aherpa]

I am no fan of Chrysler vehicles, but it will be interesting to see what they do.

One of the few things I like in the RAM pickups was the RamBox (storage boxes built into the outside fendors) and I'm not even sure they continue to offer that.

The Maverick is a small truck and it sure would have been nice to have something similar on it. (The bed cubbies are useful but they are pretty small.)

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