Maverick Lightning and Ranger Lightning trademarked as Ford's new electric EV trucks

[Barracuda340]

Most folks who drive an F150 aren't pulling anything at all. It's become a grocery getter and bro hauler for a large segment of its huge customer base.

Heres the thing, it's being marketed for towing, and being used as an actual work type truck, "not the high end version" but the XLT, and including being used in remote areas. We still have areas like that in this country. Hard to believe isnt it. I would easily do a Hybrid, but not full battery electric. That being said, I'm out.

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[Maverickman74]

That's the thing for me. I can fill my tank in 20 minutes at the Costco, and that includes waiting in line. Even at a supercharger, that 20 minutes will get me, what, a 30 percent charge?

No thanks. I can always make more money. I can't make more time.



You're assuming everyone can plug them in at home. Now, if you've got a single family home, you can. What about people who live in condos or apartments? There MIGHT be one or two chargers for the whole complex and they sure won't be allowed to hang 200 foot, if not longer, extension cords from their apartment to their cars.

Until that gets solved, EVs will be a niche vehicle.

Your comments are of a very polar nature. That not how reality works. Here is 2 little things that affect the outcome of your opinions, which you are entitled to. All cars are niche vehicles, except maybe the VW beetle in Europe 70 years ago. Each brand, model, and powertain configuration appeal to niche demographics. I dont even consider a car viable as transportation unless it 4wd with 7+ inches of ground clearance. Otherwise I couldnt leave my house. I live on an island so I really cant run out a battery very easily on anything with over 200 mi of range. However I live off grid and would have to make a bigger solar system to charge a EV, but then the power would be free. Real life is alot of give and take and back and forth. Thats ok.

My other point is you cant just make more money without giving more time. If you can I will send you my address and would graciously ask you to fill up the biggest flat rate USPS box they have with as much cash as will fit. I will forever be thankful, but not in your debt, because you can just pull the money out of thin air and mailing a package isnt that big of a hassle. I will even reimburse you for the $24.95.

 

[athertonbt]

Heres the thing, it's being marketed for towing, and being used as an actual work type truck, "not the high end version" but the XLT, and including being used in remote areas. We still have areas like that in this country. Hard to believe isnt it. I would easily do a Hybrid, but not full battery electric. That being said, I'm out.

I live in a remote area of the country so I can see where logistically it doesn't make sense for people. I doubt people who do heavy towing are going to look at the range on that truck and seriously consider it, no matter what Ford's ad department says.
That being said, they advertise the regular F-150 towing big ass trailers, offroading, hauling plywood, etc. Take a count on any given day of how many F-150s you see doing any of those things where you live.
Do people use them to work? Some do. How many people, out of the 726,000 F-150s sold last year that weren't electric, ever hooked up a trailer? I'd venture the percentage is small. These trucks have become ubiquitous to the point that most people don't use them to their capability. The EV won't be any different. Just more expensive and less convenient.

 

[Garbone]

At one time I lived out on 10 acres away from it all. 9 miles to the nearest filling station. I do recall having 200 amp service at my house.. Maverick BEV would be great for hauling fence posts and use as a portable power station.

Speaking of convenienc,. I drive our 12' Explorer to work since the better half has adopted our MachE as her own. We call the Explorer the "Pig" because it is slow off the line and best it can do is 21mpg.
My gas light came on today to augment my "oil change due" light meaning I have dump anoth $70 down the pigs throat and making me think I should get this years that $60 oil change. I average 1 tank a month in the pig as we just don't drive it anymore.

The wife drove her car about 150 miles today. I got home and she has it plugged in for a refill cost of about $6.50 and no fighting traffic at Buccees or waiting a half hour at the 5 minute oil change place. We did rotate the tires at 15k miles..

 

[Stealth Raccoon]

I live on I-5 in Northern California (like actually north of Sacramento northern), and it can get pretty rural. There are 8 Tesla chargers at the Starbucks, but out-of-towners are constantly on them, especially on weekends or holiday travel days. At home charging is the only real option. My daily work commute is maybe 45 miles round trip, and on weekends I might drive 100 miles heading to town and doing errands. I could manage an EV Maverick for myself if it has a range of at least 150 miles (I do want it cheap!) That being said I would not leave myself without an ICE vehicle for actual road trips - the infrastructure and time needed to support an EV only lifestyle just isn't there yet.

 

[tonyinsd]

Your comments are of a very polar nature. That not how reality works. Here is 2 little things that affect the outcome of your opinions, which you are entitled to.

You didn't answer my question. How do people who don't live in single family homes charge their cars overnight like you claim all EV drivers will?

There are 480 units in my condo complex. There are two charging units. How are we supposed to all charge our vehicles overnight as you say people will?

Now multiply this by the tens of thousands of apartments, condos and townhouses throughout the country. How are all those millions of drivers supposed to charge their vehicles overnight?

Until there's an answer to that, then these people will need to charge their vehicle at a charging station. That will take hours when you include the wait to get to an open charger.

I'll take filling my tank with gas over that even if it costs me $6 a gallon.

 

[Maverickman74]

You didn't answer my question. How do people who don't live in single family homes charge their cars overnight like you claim all EV drivers will?

There are 480 units in my condo complex. There are two charging units. How are we supposed to all charge our vehicles overnight as you say people will?

Now multiply this by the tens of thousands of apartments, condos and townhouses throughout the country. How are all those millions of drivers supposed to charge their vehicles overnight?

Until there's an answer to that, then these people will need to charge their vehicle at a charging station. That will take hours when you include the wait to get to an open charger.

I'll take filling my tank with gas over that even if it costs me $6 a gallon.

I think you are confusing me with someone else. I never made any claims of when people will charge their vehicles. Mine would only be able to charge during the day as I live off grid and it would be charged by my solar system that I would have to build up and improve to be capable of that.

There is alot of work to be done if everyone switches 100% to EV. I will probably not be fully in my lifetime.

 

[Barracuda340]

Then theres this. Electric cars are not really zero emissions vehicles either. That electricity comes from somewhere. They can only claim to be zero emissions if they are powered by wind, solar, geothermal, or hydroelectric. Otherwise, no they are not.

 

[Nw_adventure]

Then theres this. Electric cars are not really zero emissions vehicles either. That electricity comes from somewhere. They can only claim to be zero emissions if they are powered by wind, solar, geothermal, or hydroelectric. Otherwise, no they are not.

True - But at least the emissions from the power plant 200 miles away is discharged outside of a metropolitan area with air quality issues - No one seems to talk about the heat that an ICE engine creates , for example riding the bike last year I was behind a metro bus at a stop light, when it turned green and we all started moving - The amount of heat coming back at me from that bus was almost enough to catch my eye brows on fire -

 

[Barracuda340]

True - But at least the emissions from the power plant 200 miles away is discharged outside of a metropolitan area with air quality issues - No one seems to talk about the heat that an ICE engine creates , for example riding the bike last year I was behind a metro bus at a stop light, when it turned green and we all started moving - The amount of heat coming back at me from that bus was almost enough to catch my eye brows on fire -

Robbing from peter to pay paul? Pollution is still pollution. Weather it's an electric car fueling up with power from a coal fired or natural gas power plant, or an ICE vehicle running gasoline or diesel. It's still one and the same. I'm not convinced.

 

[Nw_adventure]

Robbing from peter to pay paul? Pollution is still pollution. Weather it's an electric car fueling up with power from a coal fired or natural gas power plant, or an ICE vehicle running gasoline or diesel. It's still one and the same. I'm not convinced.

Yes sir - For instance , Wyoming can dissipate particulate pollution much easier than the already compromised air of the Salt lake valley. I'll take it -

 

[Darnon]

Robbing from peter to pay paul? Pollution is still pollution. Weather it's an electric car fueling up with power from a coal fired or natural gas power plant, or an ICE vehicle running gasoline or diesel. It's still one and the same. I'm not convinced.

A power plant has greater thermal efficiency (as much as 50% more) than millions of ICE doing it on their own. Also the "but electricity comes from fossil fuel" and "the grid couldn't handle the demand" types ironically often at the same time oppose any broader effort to spend more on improving the infrastructure, expanding renewable power generation, or independent power production like home solar. Self-fulfilling their own prophecy.

 

[Barracuda340]

Forget about particulate. The greenies are all about carbon emissions. Well carbon emissions are still carbon emissions regardless of where they come from stationary or mobile. The fact of the matter is we will have to run our power plants harder for the additional load put on them for this extra demand. This creates more carbon emissions. I think a lot of people are looking to electric vehicles as a one size fits all panacea. It's just not true. There is a place for electric, a place for hybrid, and a place for gasoline powered vehicles. Not let's just shitcan one and go with the other.

What pulls freight long distance. Diesel electric trains. Essentially one of the first hybrids. Electric will not replace diesel semitrucks anytime soon, or commercial jet aircraft, the industry which I am employed in.

The big 3 are probably a bit peeved that an outsider "tesla" came into their industry. I mean after all they were able to take care of upstarts like Tucker. The difference with tesla, is elon musk did not go head to head with them. He outflanked them. Now they are all jumping on the bandwagon for electric cars. It doesnt help matters much when the federal gubmint is also in the business of picking winners and losers. The gubmint never does anything right, and whatever they legislate into being, typically costs waaaay more than their initial costs say it will be.

 

[mamboman777]

This is the first time I've had second thoughts about owning my Maverick hybrid. An electric truck the size of the Maverick that costs $30k with approx. 200 miles range would be awesome.

 

[tonyinsd]

This is the first time I've had second thoughts about owning my Maverick hybrid. An electric truck the size of the Maverick that costs $30k with approx. 200 miles range would be awesome.

That $10K difference will buy you 1,666 gallons of gas at $6 a gallon. At 37 mpg, that's almost 62K miles you can put on your hybrid before the breakeven point.

And that assumes that there is no cost to charge the EV.

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