Ford will sell & deliver Mavericks without chips controlling non-safety critical features

[YOBY]

I am all for build in America, however the Hermosillo folks are not rookies and i believe the quality of work is as good as any other plant.

Current
Ford Bronco Sport (2020–present)
Ford Maverick (2021–present)
Past
Lincoln MKZ (2006–2020)[8]
Ford Fusion (2006–2020)[9][10]
Mercury Milan (2006–2011)
Lincoln Zephyr (2006)
Ford Focus (hatchback) (2000–2005)
Ford Escort (1988–2002)
Mercury Tracer (1988–1999)
Mazda 323 (5-door) (1988–1990)

I never implied that Mexican workers were not as good as American workers, just cheaper to employ.

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[Yvonne Federowicz]

Wow, knowingly driving away from the lot with an incomplete brand new vehicle. Ford is desperate. I think the supply issues are getting worse, not better.
Report: Ford to sell cars without some non-safety related chips, install them later (clickondetroit.com)

Wars don't much help supply issues either...

 

[VICKY]

I'm strangely ok with this!

ha ha ha, me too?

 

[YOBY]

The article is locked behind a Paywall. So please forgive me if the info is in there. But, does it actually reference Mavericks? The only specific model I have seen mentioned in an article about leaving out chips was the Exploder.

This may help to explain the problem

 

[davnau]

OMG! Please!! NO!!!!

Back in mid 1980s, the Atari, Amiga, and other home computers made extensive use of sockets (not just for CPUs, but for memory chips and many other ones as well) due to "early" IC failure rates. heck, the tech support manuals (intended for actual repair shops back then) for the Atari line of home computers actually had trouble shooting instructions to lift the computer x inches above the work surface (I can't recall the exact height) and drop it. This would reseat chips that had slightly worked loose in their sockets! Note that these early home PC's didn't have fans or drives built into the main case and chips would still work loose tot he point to interrupt the circuit!

The number one enemy of a socketed chip is vibration (hello? We're talking about installing in a motor vehicle). Unless you use the special hold down sockets of the Intel/AMD style CPUs ... but those sockets cost more to manufacture, THEY still have to be soldered to the board anyhow and the chips are fragile and easily get inserted in such a manner to bend or break pins on the CPUs.

There's no savings in soldering in a socket vs soldering in the chip and it just opens the whole thing up to other problems No, the vendor needs to sit on the modules until the chips are available, add them to the boards, package the module and ship them to Ford (or drop ship them to the dealer Service Centers) for installation..



CPU sockets are intended just to allow the builder/end-user to use the compatible CPU of their choice on the motherboard. Not because CPU's can't easily be solder mounted. GPUs and many other chips are just as complex and large as modern Intel and AMD CPUs. Heck, take a look at mainframe CPU, they are never socketed.

pat----

There are sockets out there that work in environments with vibration.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Ford comes up with. I'm sure there are engineers working overtime to come up with workarounds. I really don't think dealer techs are going to be able to solder in an Integrated circuit on a circuit board in the field with the quality and speed needed to have this happen to thousands of vehicles. I just don't see it, as it is pretty tricky, with tiny little leads. Hence, maybe some new packaging for integrated circuit mounting will need to be developed to have a socket that will work reliably.

It's all speculation regarding implementation at this point, anyway.

 

[corvair tom]

works for me,can't go fishing this summer without a truck to tow boat!Already dropped spray in bedliner to increase chance of vehicle.

 

[Scupking]

Everyone was saying remove the constraint items like spray in liner to get your build faster. Now it's getting so bad it's remove electrical parts from your order... What's next..... I know it's not just Ford but this is getting ridiculous...

 

[Tallmaverickguy]

Does anyone know if the Co-pilot 360 chip is on the list?

 

[davnau]

The problem with the fenders was they never installed any wheel splash guards over the tires. Everything from rain, snow, salt, mud, and rocks peppered the inside bare metal of the quarter panel. Rust from day one.

As for oil use, the engineers sprayed some new fancy coating on the cylinder walls that flecked off or scored from piston rings after 20k miles. I used diesel crank case oil to get me to 100 miles per quart.

Crazy times in the 70's.

Ah, the memories of the 1973 Vega. I called it a 2-stroke since it used so much oil. Fill the tank and add a quart of oil and a can of STP, every time!

 

[Lunysgwen]

There are sockets out there that work in environments with vibration.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Ford comes up with. I'm sure there are engineers working overtime to come up with workarounds. I really don't think dealer techs are going to be able to solder in an Integrated circuit on a circuit board in the field with the quality and speed needed to have this happen to thousands of vehicles. I just don't see it, as it is pretty tricky, with tiny little leads. Hence, maybe some new packaging for integrated circuit mounting will need to be developed to have a socket that will work reliably.

It's all speculation regarding implementation at this point, anyway.

Can confirm this for sure working in aviation. You get vibrations in aircraft that can be pretty intense. I can also confirm that concussive maintenance is a thing (drop testing). It works.

 

[SpaceyMac]

Have not seen any report of Maverick being delivered with missing equipment. Only confirmed has been Expedition start/stop and Explorer rear climate controls.

https://fordauthority.com/2022/03/2022-ford-expedition-lineup-gains-auto-start-stop-removal/

 

[Watchman]

There are sockets out there that work in environments with vibration.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Ford comes up with. I'm sure there are engineers working overtime to come up with workarounds. It's all speculation regarding implementation at this point, anyway.

In the conversation with my Uncle Jim referenced in post #180 I didn't mention "Chip Creep" - - something my uncle elaborated on where the Chip works loose from vibration, heat, and cold. Seems Ford has already had serious problems with Chip Creep years ago. I didn't mention it because I didn't think the thought of modules with a plug-in Chips would ever be discussed. I can say that based on what problems Ford had in the past that there will be no "sockets" or "plug-in" Chips coming out of any Ford facility. Only modules with Chips soldered on the PCB will be untilized.

Again, this thread has evolved into hysteria. Ford is not proposing to ship an "incomplete" vehicle -- it's just missing a non-safety related option like yes, heated seats. The switch, wiring and heating element will still be installed, just the Chip in the module that controls it will be missing. Something that can be installed later by replacing the module.

 

[maverick4natic]

FORD!

Let us buy options A-LA-CARTE so we can actively help with shortages on our builds.


I would gladly remove powered seats (I hate them, too slow).....

but would rather wait to get the bed inverter and plug-in.....


...BUT they are both in the same package so SOL.

 

[2cafn8d]

Sad to say, I doubt much will change, corporate Greed focuses only on profits and stock holder/Wall Street, they will sell our Country and it’s Citizens out in a heartbeat

There is a book called Flying Blind and an associated Netflix Documentary (Downfall: The Case Against Boeing) about Boeing and the 737 Max mess and how it got to that point because shareholders were put over engineering. Good representation of that type of situation

You mean people have to turn their head to check their blind spot? Gasp!!

Haha.. I drive a 30 year old Jeep Wrangler. I did not want 360.

I'm beginning to think the old way of simply shipping vehicles to dealers and not building to order might work better right now. Obviously, there is a huge demand for Mavericks and so the chances of vehicles sitting on dealer lots unsold isn't likely. Then, Ford could simply build whatever they had parts for and push 'em out as quickly as possible.

If dealerships weren't over charging for everything this would still work.

I'm hoping the Mavs aren't on this list, but if they are I'll be sure that any missing pieces are documented in writing, as mentioned before.

 

[Abraxis]

Another link discussing the issue (Maverick not specifically mentioned)
https://www.thedrive.com/news/44735...es-with-missing-chips-that-itll-install-later

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