12-14 hours isn't even a big deal to me. I have no life I just work then home D:
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In a timely fashion, Autoline After Hours this week is doing a segment on the inevitability of full electrification of the auto industry. Not necessarily tomorrow, but maybe the day after tomorrow. AAH airs at 3 PM EST Thursdays, but is recorded for later watching.
https://www.autoline.tv/after-hours/
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Right thats why I'm all for PHEV just not a full blown BEV for me personally.
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Having owned all 4 current mainstream options (BEV, PHEV, Hybrid, ICE), I'm also firmly in the camp of, "there is not a one size fits all" to this. Personally, I don't have any use for a PHEV or Hybrid. I can't make the case for the added complexity, cost, and maintenance. Give me ICE & BEV. These two in combination solve all my transportation issues perfectly. Of course, this is only my choice, and everyone will have different choices for different reasons, so ultimately, ALL of these will have a place in the market, at least for the short term, and the consumer will decide which types get the R&D priority, based on sales. At least, that's how it SHOULD work. We shall see...
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Does the new Ram (P)plug in? Yes
Is the new Ram a (H) hybrid? Yes, it is a series hybrid like a Chevy volt, rather than a parallel hybrid like a Prius or Maverick.
Is the new Ram an (EV) electric vehicle? Yes. It is designed to be powered on electric alone, including towing, for the first 92 kWh of the trip. -equivalent to 9.2 gallons of gas-
That depends heavily where you live--electric rates are more than twice as high in some parts of the UZS than others.
Generally, you'll only be able to use one of those at any given time.
240 is actually two separate 120s with a shared neutral and ground, with the hot 120 degrees out of phase. Most homes have this for AC, and maybe electric dryer and oven.
Level 2 home chargers can use this AC.
Some (most? all?) ev/plugins can use 240 in without the level 2 charger.
*IF* your two 20A circuits are from separate phases, it may be able to combine them for a 240, but ask an electrician.
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I hope this news of a BEV Maverick is true. All they need to do is stick a Maverick on body on a Mustang Mach-e skateboard and sell it with the same battery and motors for the same price. Sign me up.
So here’s a primer for those that don’t have BEV experience: I drive 25k freeway miles a year. I live in California, where both gas and electricity are expensive, like $4.70 per gal for gas and $0.22 per kwh for electricity at night.
I have a 2,000 sq/ft single story house. My house uses 10,000 kwh annually. My annual electric bill was $3,000/year in 2022 before getting solar. My gasoline bill was $3,000 per year for a Prius, getting 40 mpg at freeway speeds - like 75 mph in Cali.
Then I got a used Tesla sedan. At freeway speeds, it uses .330 kwh per mile, or 3 miles per kwh. 10 kwh does a similar amount of work as 1 gallon of gas, so it’s similar to getting 30 mpg at freeway speeds. Doing the same 25k miles per year, the Tesla uses ~8,350 kWh per year, similar to 835 gallons of gas per year. Charging at home, at the cheapest $0.22/kwh night time rate, my EV charging costs $1,833 per year, roughly half of what gas cost me in a Prius.
But then I purchased solar in late 2022. I got 36 panels from Tesla, because they were the cheapest. The price was $33,600. After 30% tax rebate, the net cost was $23,520. It is advertised as a 14.4 kw system and they estimated that it would make 22,000 kWh per year. I’ve had it for 2 years now and it has made 21,000 kWh per year for the last 2 years. I make 21,000 kWh, but only use 18,500 kWh per year. They pay me a little for the excess, but then charge me like $40 per month for daily fees, taxes and fees for things like fighting wildfires. In the end, my electricity bill is zero. I have made NO payments to SoCal Edison for the last 28 months.
My daily commute is 105 miles and uses 35 kWh, similar to 3.5 gallons of gas. This is the winter number. In the spring and fall, with no heat or AC, it can be as low as 28 kWh. All of my charging is done at home. My car, now with 130k miles on the odometer, only holds 60kwh of electricity, down from something like 72 kWh when it was new. It is still easily enough for my daily needs, but I do need to charge it every night. 35 kWh takes 3.5 hours to charge on a 220 v, 50 amp charger I got on Amazon for $400. It is plugged into a NEMA 14-50 outlet that cost $600 for an electrician to install in my garage. It charges at 9,600 watts continuous.
When transitioning from gasoline to BEV, I timed my gas stops. My average was 10 minutes from leaving the freeway to reentering the freeway. In a Prius with a 10 gallon gas tank, I needed 2 fill ups per week. 20 minutes per week x 48 work weeks per year is 16 hours per year that I used to spend getting gas for my car, that I no longer have to do.
So what about road trips? Every year I go from SoCal to Oregon to see my parents. It’s 750 miles each direction and takes 12.5 hours in the Prius. Basically that is 75 mph, gas stops only, no breaks. Then I started doing this same trip in my Tesla. It takes 14.5 hours in the Tesla, stopping at Tesla superchargers. They have chargers every 60 miles on the freeway between my house and my parents, so it is never a worry that I will be stranded without a place to charge.
So each year, the BEV saves me 16 hours by not stopping at gas stations for my daily commute, but then it costs me an extra 4 hours doing a 1,500 mile road trip that I only do once a year. Is EV charging a burden? Not in the least. Overall it is more convenient than operating a gas powered vehicle. And each time you need to charge, like 20-30 minutes, I either go to a restaurant and get food, or I break out the Ninebot electric scooter I keep in my trunk and go sight seeing. All of the Tesla chargers are at regular malls, strip malls, resorts, outlet malls or tourist attractions and they all have restaurants within walking distance. So stopping for 30 minutes to charge is fine. It is actually healthy and refreshing to be out walking and scootering and getting a little exercise, instead of sitting for 12 hours straight, which increases the risk of developing a blood clot in your leg that needs medical treatment.
And yes, I own an ecoboost Maverick. I’m not against gas powered cars. I just thought I would share my experience and crunch the numbers for anyone that is EV curious. When I jumped into this EV adventure, 2.9 years ago, I had no idea what I was getting into, what to expect, or how much it would cost. And I would have loved to see someone else make a post with that type of information. So here it is for you guys to see, and potentially to share with others. Cheers
So here’s a primer for those that don’t have BEV experience: I drive 25k freeway miles a year. I live in California, where both gas and electricity are expensive, like $4.70 per gal for gas and $0.22 per kwh for electricity at night.
I have a 2,000 sq/ft single story house. My house uses 10,000 kwh annually. My annual electric bill was $3,000/year in 2022 before getting solar. My gasoline bill was $3,000 per year for a Prius, getting 40 mpg at freeway speeds - like 75 mph in Cali.
Then I got a used Tesla sedan. At freeway speeds, it uses .330 kwh per mile, or 3 miles per kwh. 10 kwh does a similar amount of work as 1 gallon of gas, so it’s similar to getting 30 mpg at freeway speeds. Doing the same 25k miles per year, the Tesla uses ~8,350 kWh per year, similar to 835 gallons of gas per year. Charging at home, at the cheapest $0.22/kwh night time rate, my EV charging costs $1,833 per year, roughly half of what gas cost me in a Prius.
But then I purchased solar in late 2022. I got 36 panels from Tesla, because they were the cheapest. The price was $33,600. After 30% tax rebate, the net cost was $23,520. It is advertised as a 14.4 kw system and they estimated that it would make 22,000 kWh per year. I’ve had it for 2 years now and it has made 21,000 kWh per year for the last 2 years. I make 21,000 kWh, but only use 18,500 kWh per year. They pay me a little for the excess, but then charge me like $40 per month for daily fees, taxes and fees for things like fighting wildfires. In the end, my electricity bill is zero. I have made NO payments to SoCal Edison for the last 28 months.
My daily commute is 105 miles and uses 35 kWh, similar to 3.5 gallons of gas. This is the winter number. In the spring and fall, with no heat or AC, it can be as low as 28 kWh. All of my charging is done at home. My car, now with 130k miles on the odometer, only holds 60kwh of electricity, down from something like 72 kWh when it was new. It is still easily enough for my daily needs, but I do need to charge it every night. 35 kWh takes 3.5 hours to charge on a 220 v, 50 amp charger I got on Amazon for $400. It is plugged into a NEMA 14-50 outlet that cost $600 for an electrician to install in my garage. It charges at 9,600 watts continuous.
When transitioning from gasoline to BEV, I timed my gas stops. My average was 10 minutes from leaving the freeway to reentering the freeway. In a Prius with a 10 gallon gas tank, I needed 2 fill ups per week. 20 minutes per week x 48 work weeks per year is 16 hours per year that I used to spend getting gas for my car, that I no longer have to do.
So what about road trips? Every year I go from SoCal to Oregon to see my parents. It’s 750 miles each direction and takes 12.5 hours in the Prius. Basically that is 75 mph, gas stops only, no breaks. Then I started doing this same trip in my Tesla. It takes 14.5 hours in the Tesla, stopping at Tesla superchargers. They have chargers every 60 miles on the freeway between my house and my parents, so it is never a worry that I will be stranded without a place to charge.
So each year, the BEV saves me 16 hours by not stopping at gas stations for my daily commute, but then it costs me an extra 4 hours doing a 1,500 mile road trip that I only do once a year. Is EV charging a burden? Not in the least. Overall it is more convenient than operating a gas powered vehicle. And each time you need to charge, like 20-30 minutes, I either go to a restaurant and get food, or I break out the Ninebot electric scooter I keep in my trunk and go sight seeing. All of the Tesla chargers are at regular malls, strip malls, resorts, outlet malls or tourist attractions and they all have restaurants within walking distance. So stopping for 30 minutes to charge is fine. It is actually healthy and refreshing to be out walking and scootering and getting a little exercise, instead of sitting for 12 hours straight, which increases the risk of developing a blood clot in your leg that needs medical treatment.
And yes, I own an ecoboost Maverick. I’m not against gas powered cars. I just thought I would share my experience and crunch the numbers for anyone that is EV curious. When I jumped into this EV adventure, 2.9 years ago, I had no idea what I was getting into, what to expect, or how much it would cost. And I would have loved to see someone else make a post with that type of information. So here it is for you guys to see, and potentially to share with others. Cheers
Great post. Thanks for your detailed analysis and presentation of your experience.I hope this news of a BEV Maverick is true. All they need to do is stick a Maverick on body on a Mustang Mach-e skateboard and sell it with the same battery and motors for the same price. Sign me up.
So here’s a primer for those that don’t have BEV experience: I drive 25k freeway miles a year. I live in California, where both gas and electricity are expensive, like $4.70 per gal for gas and $0.22 per kwh for electricity at night.
I have a 2,000 sq/ft single story house. My house uses 10,000 kwh annually. My annual electric bill was $3,000/year in 2022 before getting solar. My gasoline bill was $3,000 per year for a Prius, getting 40 mpg at freeway speeds - like 75 mph in Cali.
Then I got a used Tesla sedan. At freeway speeds, it uses .330 kwh per mile, or 3 miles per kwh. 10 kwh does a similar amount of work as 1 gallon of gas, so it’s similar to getting 30 mpg at freeway speeds. Doing the same 25k miles per year, the Tesla uses ~8,350 kWh per year, similar to 835 gallons of gas per year. Charging at home, at the cheapest $0.22/kwh night time rate, my EV charging costs $1,833 per year, roughly half of what gas cost me in a Prius.
But then I purchased solar in late 2022. I got 36 panels from Tesla, because they were the cheapest. The price was $33,600. After 30% tax rebate, the net cost was $23,520. It is advertised as a 14.4 kw system and they estimated that it would make 22,000 kWh per year. I’ve had it for 2 years now and it has made 21,000 kWh per year for the last 2 years. I make 21,000 kWh, but only use 18,500 kWh per year. They pay me a little for the excess, but then charge me like $40 per month for daily fees, taxes and fees for things like fighting wildfires. In the end, my electricity bill is zero. I have made NO payments to SoCal Edison for the last 28 months.
My daily commute is 105 miles and uses 35 kWh, similar to 3.5 gallons of gas. This is the winter number. In the spring and fall, with no heat or AC, it can be as low as 28 kWh. All of my charging is done at home. My car, now with 130k miles on the odometer, only holds 60kwh of electricity, down from something like 72 kWh when it was new. It is still easily enough for my daily needs, but I do need to charge it every night. 35 kWh takes 3.5 hours to charge on a 220 v, 50 amp charger I got on Amazon for $400. It is plugged into a NEMA 14-50 outlet that cost $600 for an electrician to install in my garage. It charges at 9,600 watts continuous.
When transitioning from gasoline to BEV, I timed my gas stops. My average was 10 minutes from leaving the freeway to reentering the freeway. In a Prius with a 10 gallon gas tank, I needed 2 fill ups per week. 20 minutes per week x 48 work weeks per year is 16 hours per year that I used to spend getting gas for my car, that I no longer have to do.
So what about road trips? Every year I go from SoCal to Oregon to see my parents. It’s 750 miles each direction and takes 12.5 hours in the Prius. Basically that is 75 mph, gas stops only, no breaks. Then I started doing this same trip in my Tesla. It takes 14.5 hours in the Tesla, stopping at Tesla superchargers. They have chargers every 60 miles on the freeway between my house and my parents, so it is never a worry that I will be stranded without a place to charge.
So each year, the BEV saves me 16 hours by not stopping at gas stations for my daily commute, but then it costs me an extra 4 hours doing a 1,500 mile road trip that I only do once a year. Is EV charging a burden? Not in the least. Overall it is more convenient than operating a gas powered vehicle. And each time you need to charge, like 20-30 minutes, I either go to a restaurant and get food, or I break out the Ninebot electric scooter I keep in my trunk and go sight seeing. All of the Tesla chargers are at regular malls, strip malls, resorts, outlet malls or tourist attractions and they all have restaurants within walking distance. So stopping for 30 minutes to charge is fine. It is actually healthy and refreshing to be out walking and scootering and getting a little exercise, instead of sitting for 12 hours straight, which increases the risk of developing a blood clot in your leg that needs medical treatment.
And yes, I own an ecoboost Maverick. I’m not against gas powered cars. I just thought I would share my experience and crunch the numbers for anyone that is EV curious. When I jumped into this EV adventure, 2.9 years ago, I had no idea what I was getting into, what to expect, or how much it would cost. And I would have loved to see someone else make a post with that type of information. So here it is for you guys to see, and potentially to share with others. Cheers
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Kind of makes me want to cancel my order just to see a bev come to fruition lol
Think would cost more than hybrid?
Think would cost more than hybrid?
My two cents... We have a Tesla Y and it is without a doubt the most fun car to drive... but it is not without fault. Range is a huge issue. We have the long range advertised at 320 miles, not exactly true. Max we get is like 270ish, remember everything runs draws power. AC, Heater and so on. The charging is great for around town and local regional driving. having to stop for a charge after about 3 hours driving is at my age time for a good thing. We hit the bathroom, walk the dogs and get a cup of coffee while it charges up to 80-85%. I am ok with it. There are other issues like the way the car tracks but performance... It is fast low CG and it is comfortable. And I like to make it fart as people walk by while I wait for the missus.
Last summer we were back east and rented a hybrid. We picked it up in Newark and the guy gave it to us with about 3/4 of a tank so I topped it off to absolute full... Drove down to Philly area for a wedding, around there for about 3 days, drove it to Cooperstown for the Baseball Hall of Fame, drove there for a few days and after over 300 miles it was on still above a 1/4 tank... I filled the tank and it only took 6.5 gallons for all that driving. I was impressed. That's about 50 mpg...
My point is RVs are fun and fast... Hybrids get the distance. Hybrids leave home with a full charge (about $2.75 every other day) but need to recharge on longer trips that add 20 minutes per charge at a 250 charger. Hybrids can go weeks in town before they need gas. Both lose their retentive braking advantage on the highway. Having had both experiences I prefer the Hybrid system.
Now what I really want is a EV with a small onboard generator and a plugin, solid state battery pack and a winning lottery ticket.
Last summer we were back east and rented a hybrid. We picked it up in Newark and the guy gave it to us with about 3/4 of a tank so I topped it off to absolute full... Drove down to Philly area for a wedding, around there for about 3 days, drove it to Cooperstown for the Baseball Hall of Fame, drove there for a few days and after over 300 miles it was on still above a 1/4 tank... I filled the tank and it only took 6.5 gallons for all that driving. I was impressed. That's about 50 mpg...
My point is RVs are fun and fast... Hybrids get the distance. Hybrids leave home with a full charge (about $2.75 every other day) but need to recharge on longer trips that add 20 minutes per charge at a 250 charger. Hybrids can go weeks in town before they need gas. Both lose their retentive braking advantage on the highway. Having had both experiences I prefer the Hybrid system.
Now what I really want is a EV with a small onboard generator and a plugin, solid state battery pack and a winning lottery ticket.
Based on the price difference between the F-150 BEV and the hybrid version, you'd have to think so.
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1 US gallon = 114,500 BTU (conventional summer gasoline) 1 kWh = 3412 BTU.
1 gallon (US) = 33.56 kWh.
1 litre = 8.87 kWh.
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couldn't be cheaper than 50k, plus it's at least 2 years out and likely more.
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