Ford to launch Maverick EV (I hope this is true)

[bartflossom]

I want an EV for one main reason. Number of moving parts in the drivetrain. ICE? 2500. EV? 25 or so.

Do EV's have other issues ice cars don't? Certainly. But right now everyone is judging EV's based on their history up to now. Bad in cold, low highway range, lack of chargers when rural, flammable batteries, high price and all the other things. I get it.

But people DON'T seem to be seeing what is happening in China, Japan, Korea and the US when it comes to battery tech. It's moving at one HELL of a pace. CATL, LG, BYD, Panasonic and others are pouring billions into R&D. We've already got Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries, which can be charged to 100 percent without degradation, they just give up some range and so are being used on the cheaper base trim of vehicles. We also are seeing the Chinese using Sodium Ion batteries now which are super cheap, (no lithium) and are getting better by the day. And I haven't got to silicon metal cathodes, manganese doping, and solid state.

What I see happening in the next 5 years is EV's coming down in price, up in range and safety, and at some point someone is going to hit on their 65 Ford Mustang moment and make one that everyone loves and wants. And I'd love it to be an EV Maverick. The only reason I don't have an EV now is because I can't get one in a smaller pickup format.

Fingers crossed.

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[rad32]

Got it, thanks. So, a plug in hybrid does (or can, if set up that way by the factory), recharge as vehicle is driven. Too bad the Wrangler was not capable (efficiently) of charging back to 100%. If a manufacturer could fine tune that aspect to work more efficiently, , I would definitely be interested in one. Perhaps down the road at some point that could happen, provided they are even working on the idea.

If you think about it, would you really want to recharge a PHEV as you drive? You'd be asking the ice to perform double duty. Say you are driving along at 70 mph and its taking your engine 150 hp to keep you at a constant 70 mph. But to charge your battery you'd now be asking the engine to produce 200 hp to keep you at 70 mph and send extra power to charge the batteries, which would be eating away at your mpgs. And then after all that you'd only get maybe 20-30 miles of electric range? Im just making up numbers. But I was on forums for the wrangler and people would do weird things on road trips and charge/drive for several hours to get back to 100%, then do the next 20 miles in electric then start over with the charging. They'd come and ask why did I only get 15 mpg on the trip, which if they had just been driving it without charging they would have gotten around 20 mpgs. And for anyone curious my lifetime milleage for my ecoboost maverick is beating the wranglers lifetime milleage even with charging that thing daily at home. PHEVs are just not meant for long drives. The sweet spot if you can cover your daily commute 100%.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

I want an EV for one main reason. Number of moving parts in the drivetrain. ICE? 2500. EV? 25 or so.

Do EV's have other issues ice cars don't? Certainly. But right now everyone is judging EV's based on their history up to now. Bad in cold, low highway range, lack of chargers when rural, flammable batteries, high price and all the other things. I get it.

But people DON'T seem to be seeing what is happening in China, Japan, Korea and the US when it comes to battery tech. It's moving at one HELL of a pace. CATL, LG, BYD, Panasonic and others are pouring billions into R&D. We've already got Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries, which can be charged to 100 percent without degradation, they just give up some range and so are being used on the cheaper base trim of vehicles. We also are seeing the Chinese using Sodium Ion batteries now which are super cheap, (no lithium) and are getting better by the day. And I haven't got to silicon metal cathodes, manganese doping, and solid state.

What I see happening in the next 5 years is EV's coming down in price, up in range and safety, and at some point someone is going to hit on their 65 Ford Mustang moment and make one that everyone loves and wants. And I'd love it to be an EV Maverick. The only reason I don't have an EV now is because I can't get one in a smaller pickup format.

Fingers crossed.

I will consider a pure EV when a comparable price vehicle is the same or less than its ice counterpart. You know 2,500 moving parts versus 25 moving parts got to be cheaper to make.
1. Minimum 400 mi range.
2. 10 to 12 minute fill up to 100%. None of this 80% charge in 30 minutes 20% remainder takes 2 hours.
At 70 years old I don't have that much time left to sit and wait for an electric to charge up or wait in line to Plug In.
3. Charging stations as plentiful as gas stations. Including in the middle of nowhere.
4. Electric cost on par with gasoline.

Till then I'll stick with the ice or hybrid.

 

[slashsnake]

I get that most MTC members hate and despise BEVs. You be you. But this news nugget may dissuade me from updating my Maverick with another ICE version this fall.

My other car is a BEV, so that's not me here. I truly enjoy mine a LOT. I put 80k miles in 5 years on that one and it's our primary vehicle.

That said... I don't think I want a truck BEV. I'm not big on the full-size pickup when not towing crowd and that's a big limitation (as is charging on road trips with towing) with EV's. And yes for my Mav I plan on doing a bit of towing though obviously that's a lesser issue here.

With a smaller vehicle, you are looking at a lot of added weight now for one. It's an extra ton to get a lightning vs. an F150... you can spec an F350 at about the same weight as a Lightning. The Silverado is another ton heavier... 8500-9100lbs. I don't want a 5000+LB Maverick.

Maybe use as some say for city delivery driving, but again, then go with a E-transit or similar where you have an enclosed back with lower step in, higher ceiling, etc that's designed for that.

And the question of diminishing returns. Going from an F150 to a lightning you are going from around 20ish MPG to 68 empg. Big difference there in cost. For me, that'd be about 5 cents a mile (10 cents per Kwh, and gets about 2 miles per). So about 1/3 the cost of gas.

Now with an EV vs. the Maverick hybrid, you are starting at 38 mpg and as noted if EV usage for the trucks favor city driving, you are passing 40. Now the fuel savings return is way down even as the EV empg goes up.

But there's some interesting things. If the Lobo does really well, damn a sport truck EV would be neat. Weight already down low with the skateboard design. It would be really fast.

 

[bartflossom]

I will consider a pure EV when a comparable price vehicle is the same or less than its ice counterpart. You know 2,500 moving parts versus 25 moving parts got to be cheaper to make.
1. Minimum 400 mi range.
2. 10 to 12 minute fill up to 100%. None of this 80% charge in 30 minutes 20% remainder takes 2 hours.
At 70 years old I don't have that much time left to sit and wait for an electric to charge up or wait in line to Plug In.
3. Charging stations as plentiful as gas stations. Including in the middle of nowhere.
4. Electric cost on par with gasoline.

Till then I'll stick with the ice or hybrid.

I get it. I'm 67 so only 3 years behind you.

 

[colinl]

Also so it still has enough power to manage the tow rating (they claim 10k+ lbs) if the battery is near depleted.

well that sure sounds like a regular ol' hybrid to me, if the gas engine can in fact directly power the vehicle.

someone stated - incorrectly? - that it was only to charge the HV battery.

 

[HeyBales]

Got it, thanks. So, a plug in hybrid does (or can, if set up that way by the factory), recharge as vehicle is driven. Too bad the Wrangler was not capable (efficiently) of charging back to 100%. If a manufacturer could fine tune that aspect to work more efficiently, , I would definitely be interested in one. Perhaps down the road at some point that could happen, provided they are even working on the idea.

Most seem to have 2 modes to select from.
Both are going to do the normal HVB recharging from braking and coasting.

1 - EV first, then ICE if it runs out, whatever ICE power isn't required for moving recharges HVB.
Meaning enough flat easy cruising after EV ran out, could recharge enough for more EV range. Depends on how wimpy the ICE was spec'd.

2 - HEV as you've seen it - use the EV when power request is below a certain amount, bring on the ICE when more power is needed, and if excess power available recharge HVB still.

#2 is like for the long trips where you know EV won't make it far enough, and it's just used when needed, assist getting up hills, acceleration, town driving stops off highway.
From what it sounds like from others - it's using EV for well above the 10% power max the Mavericks are limited to.

Attempting 100% recharge by the engine is still wasteful though compared to outlet, if that engine is intended to totally provide enough power for the load on it's own.
That's why the EREV's can use an engine special tuned/sized for only the charging load - but then you need motors big enough to handle the full load.

 

[Darnon]

well that sure sounds like a regular ol' hybrid to me, if the gas engine can in fact directly power the vehicle.

someone stated - incorrectly? - that it was only to charge the HV battery.

Yes, it's fundamentally a plug-in hybrid with a big battery. The more novel part is that it's a dedicated series hybrid which means there is no mechanical connection between the ICE to the wheels. The BMW i3 with range extender was similar and Nissan had some series hybrids in Japan. Many hybrids can operate in series-mode with their transmission; the Maverick's eCVT when in reverse. See also the Chevy Volt or Honda hybrids which are typically series-mode but can clutch in for higher speeds where the mechanical connection is more efficient (since there's losses going from engine > generator > inverter > electric motor).

 

[Space]

Love this news. Also hoping it is true, but 2027/2028 probably too late for me. I’m ready to pull the trigger now. Smaller economical operating electric/hydrogen (whatever) as second household vehicle with a utility capable is simply practical for the most larger portion of our population. Truck is macho preference for me, but any similar vehicle like Toyota Prius would do if properly designed with economy and utility capability. Something with fewer RECALLs also preferable.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

The 2025 Ram 1500 Ramcharger can still tow up to 14,000 pounds when the battery is depleted because it has a charge-sustaining mode.
0-60 4 sec.

 

[First Sergeant]

I will consider a pure EV when a comparable price vehicle is the same or less than its ice counterpart. You know 2,500 moving parts versus 25 moving parts got to be cheaper to make.
1. Minimum 400 mi range.
2. 10 to 12 minute fill up to 100%. None of this 80% charge in 30 minutes 20% remainder takes 2 hours.
At 70 years old I don't have that much time left to sit and wait for an electric to charge up or wait in line to Plug In.
3. Charging stations as plentiful as gas stations. Including in the middle of nowhere.
4. Electric cost on par with gasoline.

Till then I'll stick with the ice or hybrid.

I'm in exactly the same boat! The conditions you mention would be the same for me. Don't slow down too much Glen, don't know your birthday, but I'm the big 7-0 in August! Don't think I can actually catch you though! Ha!

 

[allc0re]

Let's see if the tax credit is around still. If you can snag the hybrid for 30k and they sell the full electric model for 40k after tax incentives, I don't spend anything remotely close to 10k in gas/maintenance so for most consumers it would make zero sense.

Only if cost was the only concern.

 

[First Sergeant]

Most seem to have 2 modes to select from.
Both are going to do the normal HVB recharging from braking and coasting.

1 - EV first, then ICE if it runs out, whatever ICE power isn't need for moving recharges HVB.
Meaning enough flat easy cruising after EV ran out, could recharge enough for more EV range. Depends on how wimpy the ICE was spec'd.

2 - HEV as you've seen it - use the EV when power request is below a certain amount, bring on the ICE when more power is needed, and if excess power available recharge HVB still.

#2 is like for the long trips where you know EV won't make it far enough, and it's just used when needed, assist getting up hills, acceleration, town driving stops off highway.
From what it sounds like from others - it's using EV for well above the 10% power the Mavericks are limited to.

Attempting 100% recharge by the engine is still wasteful though compared to outlet, if that engine is intended to totally provide enough power for the load on it's own.
That's why the EREV's can use an engine special tuned/sized for only the charging load - but then you need motors big enough to handle the full load.

I may not be alive when some of this tech gets here. Interesting read, thanks!

 

[sme1974]

From Autoline Daily... They usually don't spread BS, so I'm hoping this is true.

FORD TO LAUNCH MAVERICK EV​

Ford found a nice niche for its Maverick pickup truck when it was launched nearly 4 years ago, with sales running around 130,000 units a year. And now the company wants to leverage that success by coming out with an electric version. Autoforecast Solutions reports that the Maverick EV will go into production in April of 2027. AFS says the truck, with the code-name P833, will be tooled for 100,000 units a year. And curiously, it will be built in the company’s assembly plant in Louisville, Kentucky and not at its plant in Hermosillo, Mexico, where the ICE version of the Maverick is built. Louisville is where the Ford Escape is made, and since the two of them will be made side by side, that strongly suggests that Ford will be coming out with a BEV version of the Escape, as well.​

https://www.autoline.tv/daily/ad-39...nch-maverick-ev-honda-cuts-ev-orders-from-gm/

I get that most MTC members hate and despise BEVs. You be you. But this news nugget may dissuade me from updating my Maverick with another ICE version this fall.

EV's are useless unless you're going to use them mainly for local travel. What we really need is a Maverick PHEV that can go long distances without limitations of finding charging stations and time to charge, etc. Better yet a PHEV with a small diesel ICE coupled with a more powerful electric motor would improve overall mileage and much better torque for towing!

 

[First Sergeant]

EV's are useless unless you're going to use them mainly for local travel. What we really need is a Maverick PHEV that can go long distances without limitations of finding charging stations and time to charge, etc. Better yet a PHEV with a small diesel ICE coupled with a more powerful electric motor would improve overall mileage and much better torque for towing!

I like the idea of the diesel Hybrid or the Phev!

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